Bus travel from Lima to Rio de Janeiro
210 points by ks2048 6 days ago | 81 comments

j_french 23 hours ago
I did most of this route by bus in the late 2000s, mostly semi-cama style where available. Was entirely manageable mostly, apart from feeling weird as the altitude kicked up heading to Cusco, and the horrendous surface of the la paz to uyuni road. For an interminable stretch in the middle of the night in felt like we were driving over an endless washboard.

The 2008 US presidential election was on, we hadn't heard the result, the park ranger in an unbelievably remote hut at uyuni informed us that "el Moreno" had won

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snthpy 15 hours ago
Funny, I was in the same area a few months earlier. Had to have a wisdom tooth pulled in Cusco and then had a dry socket in Uyuni which was agony.
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YesBox 24 hours ago
Thanks for reminding me how beautiful Rio ("Hio") is! I went to Brazil twice in the late 2000s. Brings back some fun memories:

- Most of the locals on the beach will start clapping when the sun begins to set. Ipanema is a beautiful beach/area.

- Brazilians are curious and happy to chat with foreigners. I particularly enjoyed how slowly everyone walked, not in a rush to get to anyplace.

- If you're staying in hostels, it's really easy to fall into the trap of hanging around other foreigners who pretty much all speak English fluently (which is fun, but isn't the main purpose of traveling IMO). I learned a little Portuguese before traveling which helped break out of that. I also couch surfed (stayed in strangers homes), which was fun.

- I found the cuisine to be light, though I was on a budget. Pretty sure I lost weight and had to eat more frequently. I miss Acia bowls.

- Dont drink unfiltered tap water, and make sure the bottled water seals aren't broken. I got sick a couple times regardless.

- Carnaval and soccer (football) matches are wild. Tons of energetic people.

- I was never mugged, but met a lot of people who were, or knew someone who was (locals and foreigners). Maybe things have changed. Traveling alone at night is not a good idea.

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vintagedave 14 hours ago
A few years ago in Recife I was walking with Brazilian friends down the street. A football match was on and we were moving between two public showings. The street was wide, four lanes, bright in the sunshine, and utterly empty. Every single person in the city was watching football.

I pulled out my phone to check where we were on the map.

Each one of my friends immediately looked round urgently and when I put it away, one asked what I was doing. We could be mugged!

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For all the stories like that, Brazil is one of the most wonderful countries I've been to, with amazing people. I have great friends there still today. There does seem to be a major public danger element -- I was told far worse stories. But for all of that, and taking precautions, it was a wonderful place to visit. In one way I feel bad sharing my response to your story, because it perpetuates that, but also it is a true aspect of the country. But: it is an extraordinary place, and a country I deeply wish would be more successful because the people deserve it.

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mixmastamyk 20 hours ago
^ Acaí, pronounced assa-EE for those not familiar.
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dcrazy 19 hours ago
And somewhat easy to find in the SF Bay Area, Los Angeles, Las Vegas, and I would guess New York, but certainly far more expensive than in South America.
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throwaway27448 18 hours ago
Acaí has been a staple bougie food in america for at least twenty years. I suspect you can find it in every major city in america.
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phist_mcgee 17 hours ago
I was under the impression that it's different in south america, it can be savoury sometimes?
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owebmaster 9 hours ago
Yeah the people living in the Amazon, where açaí is from, eat it with fried fish and they call the açaí bowl "sorvete de açaí", açaí icecream
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mixmastamyk 16 hours ago
Not that I know of. However, the “slurpie” style with fruit/granola from Rio that went out to the world, is good but the smooth version from the North with tapioca is better. Almost like a light pudding.
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mixmastamyk 16 hours ago
^ ç

Somehow the cedilla was lost.

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nfg 24 hours ago
Memories!

Back in 2012 after 8 months across Asia (through Turkey, Iran, India, Nepal, China, Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand, Laos and Hong King) we took a flight to Buenos Aires (well, via SF for a weekend) then went entirely overland: - Buenos Aires - Puerto Madryn - Ushuaia - El Calafate - El Chalten - Bariloche - El Bolson - Mendoza - Salta - El Cafayate - Into Bolivia… - La Quiaca - Tupiza - Salar de Uniyi - Sucre - La Paz - Copabanca - Isla Del Sol - Into Peru! - Puno - Cusco - Aguas Calientes - Arequipa - Tacna - Into Chile! - San Pedro de Atacama - Into Argentina - Salta - Puerto Iguazú - Into Brazil - Foz do Iguaçu - Rio de Janeiro - Ihla Grande - Paraty - San Paulo - Home (via Amsterdam)!

I’m glad we did it when we were younger - golden years.

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rmnwski 12 hours ago
beautiful! how long did you take for the south america part?
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nfg 3 hours ago
Nearly 6 months in South America - then we ran out of money and headed home!
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masfuerte 24 hours ago
The article omits the most important detail in the bus summary. Is it cama?

Cama is Spanish for bed. A cama bus has seats that fully recline to form a flat bed. They are awesome. Semi-cama is a reclining chair. Not flat, but comfortable and you can easily sleep. And then you get regular buses, which are no fun on the long journeys.

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d0100 19 hours ago
In pt-br it's "leito", "semi-leito", "executivo" and "convencional"

"Leito" sounds more premium than "cama", despite being both valid words for "bed"

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phowat 8 hours ago
There is also "leito-cama" which is the top category, one above "leito".
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AFF87 22 hours ago
100% agreed, cama for that trip could be a great experience... regular would be really painful
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Markoff 14 hours ago
not my experience with sleeper buses in Asia, in Vietnam they have these semi reclining "seats"[1] which can't be completely flat plus they are too short for European, so actually it's more uncomfortable experience than regular seat would be

OTOH I had pretty good experiences with some Indian sleeper buses, if new/good condition, you can even choose single berth with solid sliding aisle wall making it your own small private cabin [2], though it seems aisle curtains are more popular, bed is completely flat, you can even pull open pretty big side window to observe country, though of course it's not long enouigh berth for 2m European, for obvious reasons double berth shared with strangers is not very good experience but sometimes there is no other option

so I wonder how actually look these cama buses you specifically mentioned

[1] https://warmcheaptrips.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/Sleepe...

[2] https://static.punemirror.com/full/276e634e-e89e-4231-b487-2...

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alkonaut 11 hours ago
None of the pictures show people with coats on. My experience riding buses in South America was that operators run the AC on "freezing" for some reason. I never figured out why, but some said it was a competition for luxury where colder is seen as more luxurious, even though it's significantly below room temp. I didn't quite buy that explanation but I never heard a better one either.
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pseudocomposer 9 hours ago
I’ve only taken two buses in Brazil (Goiânia to Pirenópolis and back), and can definitely report that this was not the case there. It was incredibly hot and dry there until you hit the mountains, and the AC barely worked. Granted, I think this was one of the crappier bus lines, and they had a monopoly on this particular route.
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zhivota 11 hours ago
Same phenomenon in the Philippines. Always bring full coverage clothes for the ride.
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xyzelement 2 days ago
Really drives home the blessing of air travel. LATAM offers the same route for about the same price, 5 hours instead of 118.

I assume the author just had nothing better to do which is fine, but great to have the other option.

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altacc 14 hours ago
Now I've got small children, we fly instead of taking the long bus, train or boat journey. But the long bus, train and boat journeys and the places we experienced along the way are half of what my wife and I talk about when we reminisce about our travels. In the UK at least we call it "going travelling", which to me acknowledges that the actual travelling is important, not just destination hopping.
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ks2048 2 days ago
And what's the price if you want to stop at all 12 cities listed there?
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xyzelement 2 days ago
If that's your actual goal sure.
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MrOrelliOReilly 23 hours ago
I’m not convinced you read the post. I believe the author makes quite explicit their goal was to actually visit these cities, noting this is far from the most efficient bus route. Their itinerary also shows long stays in several spots.
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xyzelement 23 hours ago
Yes. I am just saying what an amazing thing air travel is when this is your baseline.
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voxleone 10 hours ago
There are great mid-sized towns along the the route, especially in Parana and Sao Paulo. I'd have liked to read about any impressions.
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mykowebhn 24 hours ago
I think you didn't get the point of the article.
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idiotsecant 2 days ago
'nothing better to do' is where all of life's greatest surprises are hiding.
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IncreasePosts 2 days ago
You can also have nothing better to do in rio for 5 days
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idiotsecant 23 hours ago
You're making the mistake of thinking that the place you're headed is your destination. When you look back (I hope) you recall fondly your younger days adventures where you had 2 bucks and an open road. The best adventures happen when we don't expect them because we're on the way to the 'important' thing.

We very rarely correctly identify in advance what the important thing is.

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IncreasePosts 20 hours ago
I disagree that I'm making that mistake - I'm saying that 5 days in some foreign city can be filled with adventure just like 5 days on a bus through unknown areas can be.
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owebmaster 9 hours ago
Why not 5 days traveling and 5 days more in Rio? Or 50?
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IncreasePosts 9 hours ago
Sure, I was just assuming a scenario like "I need to be in rio in 6 days for a job" or whatever
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iammrpayments 20 hours ago
I’ve watched a video about a guy who did the same route, and a lot of passengers said they were taking the bus back home because they were afraid of flying.
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kakacik 2 days ago
when traveling and especially backpacking, the road and the experiences and people you meet along is the goal, not tackling a checklist of stuff internet/llms has given you as must-see.
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xyzelement 2 days ago
Thanks for explaining that. Had never encountered this concept before.
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mykowebhn 24 hours ago
I believe (s)he is responding to this comment of yours:

> Really drives home the blessing of air travel

It might lead one to surmise that you may have never encountered this before. Just sayin

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socalgal2 21 hours ago
Or it could just be an observation. You can look at how arduaous that trip is and be amazed that now-a-days, if you just want to get from point A to point B, you can do it in few hours of comfort on a plane. That doesn't take anything away from that you might want to take the long path. But seeing the long path, you can certainly appreciate how awesome it is that you don't have to take the long path when you don't need/want to .

I'm certainly glad that went I decide to go from California to Hawaii it takes 5 hours and not 5 days like it did 100 years ago. Or Japan, 14-15 days and now 10-11 hours. Sure, it might be interesting to do it once the long way, but having someone show me the long way makes me appreciate that I don't have to do that.

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RobRivera 2 days ago
I cannot tell if this is sarcasm.
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IG_Semmelweiss 23 hours ago
There are some mediocre routes and some interesting routes.

I think a key tidbit not mentioned by the article, is to recommend for US and Europeans travelers the experience of ecosystem change by going from coastal (sea level), to paramo , to high Andes , and then back down to (dense) tropical jungle.

That ecosystem journey does not exist in North America, and its rare in the EU, except for maybe Switzerland (where you will not experience tropical jungle anyway).

Yet, the journey from coast to highland down to jungle, is available on all highways criscrossing the Andes!

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AlotOfReading 22 hours ago
You can do a similar journey in the US and Canada from sea level through temperate rainforest to alpine tundra on the Pacific coast. It's not quite the same as the Andes, but it's similar because of the structural similarities in how the Pacific rim formed.
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jonah 22 hours ago
You can experience all of those ecosystems - and more - just in Columbia if you choose to.

We did a lot of bussing around there couple years ago - none of them or as nice as these motor coaches! (We were generally not taking the longer routes though.)

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neves 19 hours ago
In Colombia and Venezuela you also have the Caribbean. These countries are great.
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amarant 2 days ago
Reminds me of "The Wrong Way Home" about a guy who did a similar land-only trip, except from London to Sydney.

I spent a huge part of my teens and early twenties dreaming of doing the same. These days the mere thought gives me a back ache.

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bryancoxwell 24 hours ago
I did the exact opposite of this in 2011 and it was the easily the most memorable 3 months of my life. Takes some planning (mostly making sure visa dates line up) but it is an incredible experience.
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electronW1zard 20 hours ago
I had some mates ride motorbikes from Brisbane to London, they posted a few edits of their trip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UDe9IsPrX4
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eastbound 2 days ago
Still exists, without a book to talk about it. Travel is cheap and my lesson is that every sleeping condition is acceptable, provided it’s temporary. A friend came to see me in Sydney, from France, using hitchhiking. He loved Kazhakstan and central Asia, hated Vietnam (which I loved), and took a flight from Singapore to Pearth. Western countries are the most boring, apparently.
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jcims 2 days ago
I’d always fancied myself a decent driver. Riding in buses across parts of Peru recalibrated my standards. I couldn’t believed what they could do with those clapped out tour buses, some *truly* skilled folks at the wheel.
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alliao 2 days ago
i remember seeing sun beating down on a truck in front of us with 80 or so residential sized gas tanks just banging on each other for the entire way from arequipa to lima, fun times. we did cuzco to puno then loop back to lima. there was news of coach fallen off the road on the bit from puno to arequipa, but then I was young and eager to explore so just jumped on anyway with a friend, good times for sure.
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haunter 2 days ago
DW made a 5 part mini-series about it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_ODFlqURxY
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Doohickey-d 12 hours ago
And that one is actually a direct, no-change trip on a single bus. 5 days of non-stop bus.

YouTuber Noel Philips also covered it, if you want to see it in that form.

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Aboutplants 2 days ago
Saving this for a rainy day, looks like a great watch. Thanks
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NoboruWataya 22 hours ago
The longest single bus ride I did was about 24 hours from Iguazu (Argentine side) up to Rio. It was at the end of a 2 month trip through Peru, Bolivia, Argentina and Brazil. I had intended to break it up with a couple of days in Sao Paulo, but I ended up spending way longer than expected in Buenos Aires because I loved it so much.

It was semi cama and we were told there would be a meal served as part of the ticket, only to be told on board that the meal wasn't available for whatever reason. After much complaining (not just me but all of the passengers) we eventually got them to let us stop for half an hour at a service station in the middle of nowhere to get some food.

It was over 13 years ago now, but I still have so many great memories of that trip.

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mixmastamyk 20 hours ago
I did SP to Iguaçu—worst ever ride (21 hours) because it was a regular bus, no cama, don’t remember why. May have been cheated.

I do remember that date however, we arrived the morning of 9/11. Yes, that one. Checked into hostel bleary-eyed with neck-ache. “Norte Americano?” “Si,” clerk points to TV above, a building in NYC is on fire, looks like a plane crash. I think, that’s really weird but can’t understand the discussion of what happened. I go straight to bed for several hours.

Later get up in the late afternoon for a walk around the falls from a distance. It’s beautiful. Come back about 6pm to catch Dubya making his speech with the other hostel guests in the living room. They also replay the video of the day over and over. The dread of what’s to come lingers in the air.

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jacquesm 18 hours ago
We're still in the midst of what was to come in many ways.
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mixmastamyk 16 hours ago
Indeed. You might like this site we wrote that approaches from the technology angle. Didn’t write on a phone so may be a bit more coherent. ;-) https://trustworthy.technology/
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jacquesm 13 hours ago
That's fantastic stuff. I feel we're in some kind of 'inversion of control' situation here, from being the (relatively inept) masters of our tech we are slowly turned into peripherals.

Textual change suggestion:

"Earlier European censuses had helpfully laid out the details necessary to systematically and efficiently round up undesirables on a scale yet unseen or imagined."

=>

"Earlier European censuses had helpfully laid out the details necessary to systematically and efficiently round up those that were labeled undesirables on a scale yet unseen or imagined."

Also, I think malicious compliance needs to be addressed somehow, the tech industry has been weaponizing this.

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stevenfoster 2 days ago
Did something similar but not nearly as long across a good part of Mexico a few years ago. It was wonderful though one cannot be in a hurry. I will have to consider your route for a future pilgrimage. Thank you for sharing it!
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schoen 2 days ago
I remember Buenos Aires to Porto Alegre (via Foz do Iguaçu) by bus. I guess that's about 1/4 or 1/3 as far, with somewhat less dramatic landscapes. Extremely comfortable except for the violent action movies shown on an overhead TV with sound, even for part of the night.

Edit: but ultimately probably a very different experience because it's so much less mountainous!

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ifwinterco 14 hours ago
Latin American noise tolerance is something else, the local passengers probably found falling asleep to the sound of gunfire and shouting from the film soothing
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madaxe_again 24 hours ago
That’s basically just a bus up the coast of Uruguay and a bit of Rio Grande do Sul? I did the same route in the opposite direction, via Tacuarembo, mostly on horseback. Extremely uncomfortable, but an interesting week nonetheless.
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schoen 21 hours ago
You might be envisioning a more direct route that doesn't include the Foz do Iguaçu part (maybe crossing the border in Uruguaiana or something). I bet that exists as a commercial bus route option too, but the Foz do Iguaçu stopover is all the way up at the triple border of Argentina, Brazil, and Uruguay. So the Brazilian border-skirting for this trip includes all of Rio Grande do Sul, all of Santa Catarina, and a bit of Parana, then back down again on the Brazilian side after crossing the border.

Edit: Yes, it looks like you could totally do that (Buenos Aires to Uruguaiana, then Uruguaiana to Porto Alegre) and save many hours of travel, or even cut more directly through central Uruguay and save even more time. We took the longer option because we wanted to visit Iguaçu Falls and the Itaipu dam, which were both spectacular.

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tanepiper 15 hours ago
We travelled Peru by bus for the majority of our trip (only at the end taking the plane from Cusco to Lima at the end). Amazing way to see the country
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bloomingeek 2 days ago
Wow, what an epic looking trip! My brain began planning this out with my wife and I getting off the bus at a cool looking city and staying a few days for site seeing.
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kakacik 2 days ago
This trip goes through remarkable places, I was lucky to experience quite a few without ever doing such trip in that location.

Uyuni salt plain - magical experience, better than any photos. Climbing on old rusty train cut into chunks, jumping between wagons. Or sleeping in salt-cubes-built iglu. Or hiking to 5200m high volcano Tunupa just next to salt plains.

Sucre - nice colonial feel.

Potosi - evils of colonialism in plain sight. Hard place to swallow. Also possible to go to one of hundreds mines in the famous hill where all the silver mines are. There can be some nasty sillica in the air, beware. But mines look like you would expect in 3rd world - basic, dangerous, and a stick of dynamite is never too far. If you want to see effects of high altitude on fertility, local church is a (traumatic) place to visit.

La Paz - proper high altitude capital, don't be surprised to feel dizzy when stepping out of plane at 4100m altitude.

Copacabana - I presume the one on Titicaca - recommending visiting Isola del Sol, talking to locals. Never had a frozen beer in pre-frozen mug, when outside was -10C and even inside barely 0C, even the foam froze so had to be chewed.

One thing seemingly skipped since this was more just a regular travel path - you can ride down on a rented bike Camino de la Muerte near La Paz - or Yungas death road. In 1 day, you bike from 4700m high frozen planes down to tropical jungle, on shabby muddy roads cut to properly vertical slopes, with waterfall falling down your neck. Don't skip this, even if you are not a seasoned biker. One of those memories for rest of the days.

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nout 24 hours ago
The Lake Titicaca is amazing, the high altitude gives the most blue sky that I have ever experienced.
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CGMthrowaway 23 hours ago
Buses and related are great in SA. I'm frankly surprised that it took 11 separate buses to this

If you are a comfortable traveler and know a bit of spanish, find the combis/collectivos wherever you are, it is far and away the best way to do day trip travel from many cities

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prmoustache 22 hours ago
If you look at the date, the point was not to reach the destination the quickest way. The author stayed several days in some areas.
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lencastre 2 days ago
Fantastico!
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mopsi 2 days ago
If you'd like to try something like that from the safety of your home beforehand: https://store.steampowered.com/app/381780/80_Days/
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pimlottc 23 hours ago
80 Days is a really wonderful literary game that captures the joy and adventure of travel (quite a nice escape during the pandemic). There's tons of replayability with different routes and subplots to discover.
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bombcar 18 hours ago
$3 and change is too good a deal to pass up!
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vivzkestrel 16 hours ago
imagine if you had a bridge over the darien gap and could do a bus travel from arctic circle to patagonia
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edlebert_f 13 hours ago
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