The Miller Principle (2007)
39 points by FelipeCortez 5 days ago | 29 comments

sdevonoes 2 hours ago
I think this is more true now than ever. Before LLMs, when someone came up with an ADR/RFC/etc you had to read it because you had to approve it or reject it. People were putting effort and, yeah, you could use them in your next perf. review to gain extra points. You could easily distinguish well written docs from the crap (that also made the job of reviewing them easie)

Nowadays everyone can generate a 20-page RFC/ADR and even though you can tell if they are LLM generated, you cannot easily reject them based on that factor only. So here we are spending hours reading something the author spent 5 min. to generate (and barely knows what’s about).

Same goes for documentation, PRs, PRs comments…

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jodrellblank 9 minutes ago
Watching the Artemis II splashdown and following media event, I’m suspicious that a woman from TechTalk Media read out some LLM blurb instead of asking a question; I can’t prove it, but I can almost hear the em-dash in:

"What you have done this week is remind the people of Earth that wonder is worth chasing. That curiosity is the most human thing we have. You didn't just test a spacecraft -- you tested mankind's potential...”

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ghgr 33 minutes ago
As a counterexample, thanks to LLMs many long-form articles that get posted with clickbaity (but devoid of content) headlines that I would have ignored otherwise now get "read" (albeit indirectly, with the prompt "Summarize the insights of the article $ARTICLE_URL in an academic, dry, technical and information-dense way")
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eru 29 minutes ago
I notice that with YouTube videos.
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torben-friis 2 hours ago
I wish this was the case. Then we wouldn't have a minority of us deeply frustrated :)

'Thanks for the doc, let's set a meeting' (implied: so you can read the doc aloud to us ) is the bane of my existence.

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comrade1234 2 hours ago
Despite using an ai while programming I still have open Java doc and other api documents and find them very useful as the ai often gives code based on old apis instead of what I'm actually using. So I do read those documents.

But also, I have a somewhat mentally ill (as in he takes medication for it) coworker that sends rambling extra-long emails, often all one paragraph. If I can't figure out what he's asking by reading the first couple and last couple of sentences I ask him to summarize it with bullet pouts and it actually works. Lol.

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taffydavid 2 hours ago
I read this entire post and all the comments this disproving the Miller principle
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armchairhacker 2 hours ago

    This principle applies to the following:

    - User documentation
    - Specifications
    - Code comments
    - Any text on a user interface
    - Any email longer than one line
Not blog posts or comments. Ironic
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taffydavid 57 minutes ago
Damn, I guess I didn't read it closely enough
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sebastianconcpt 35 minutes ago
Proved that read is not causation of understanding but mere correlation.

So if the read of the Miller principle is interpreted as read+understanding (it should) an interesting deeper discussion can happen.

It can be invoked with a way more dramatic "None understands anything"

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coopykins 2 hours ago
It's one of the main things I learned when working as tech support and I talked with users all day. Nobody reads anything.
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funnybeam 44 minutes ago
I used to refer to the helpdesk as the reading desk - “Hello, you’re through to the IT Helpdesk, what can i read for you today?”
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ekjhgkejhgk 31 minutes ago
Damn, this is thin content even for HN.

Anyway, this is just projection. The Miller principle really should be "Miller doesn't read anything". I read plenty.

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fmajid 25 minutes ago
Write-only memory
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hamdouni 2 hours ago
Yeah, i'm also surprised people just read post title and jump to conclusions ...
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stevage 2 hours ago
Should probably be "The Miller Principle (2007)"
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Animats 2 hours ago
The LLMs read everything.
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krona 2 hours ago
It doesn't mean they're paying attention.
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formerly_proven 2 hours ago
Only because they are architecturally unable to not read something.
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simultsop 2 hours ago
until one day
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realaleris149 2 hours ago
The agents will read them
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smitty1e 2 hours ago
I have found much value in reading the python and sqlite documentation. The Arch wiki is another reliable source.

Good documentation is hard.

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simultsop 2 hours ago
I don't know. Under pressure and stress all docs are ugly.
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Akcium 2 hours ago
I would love to answer your comment but I didn't read it :P
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spiderfarmer 2 hours ago
The Laravel documentation is GREAT when you're getting started. Every chapter starts by answering the very question you might ask yourself if you're going through it top to bottom.

I'm a one-man-band so if I write code comments, I write them for future me because up to this point he has been very grateful. Creating API documentation is also easy if you can generate it based on the comments in your code.

Maybe rename it the Filler principle. Nobody reads mindless comments that are 'filler'.

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makach 2 hours ago
..and emails
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stevage 2 hours ago
> Any email longer than one line

it's in there

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sarreph 34 minutes ago
The irony.
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timrobinson33 32 minutes ago
tl;dr
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