Meta removes ads for social media addiction litigation
168 points by giuliomagnifico 3 hours ago | 73 comments

Xeoncross 3 minutes ago
As an aside, class-action lawsuits seem less than ideal for the public. The awards benefit the lawyers and perhaps a small handful, but the actual plaintiffs only get $0.05. In addition, successful class-action suits prevent further litigation from being allowed for the same issue.

Individuals bringing their own lawsuits seems like it would affect better change as 1) the award money would be better distributed instead of concentrated and 2) the amounts levied against the companies would be higher and more of concern than the class-action slap-on-the-wrist they currently get.

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bilekas 2 hours ago
> "We will not allow trial lawyers to profit from our platforms while simultaneously claiming they are harmful."

Wow.. That is quite a statement. Am I right in saying that in order to claim for the class action lawsuit, which facebook has been 'found negligent', that the victims need to take an action collectively in order to claim ? IE They need to be reached somehow to inform them of the possibility ?

Seems the most obvious place to advertise would be Meta.

I understand Meta can basically do whatever they like with their ToS but the statement from the Meta spokesperson seems like an extremely bad idea.

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pixl97 24 minutes ago
Tobacco lawyers "Putting that cigarettes are harmful on the box would be devastating to our profits!"
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reactordev 11 minutes ago
Literally every ceo
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giancarlostoro 2 hours ago
Would be really entertaining if all the lawyers affected banded together and made a class action lawsuit full of lawyers as the plaintiffs.
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3form 2 hours ago
"Lawyer benefitting from cases about prostitution equals to a pimp" kind of argument.
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HumblyTossed 58 minutes ago
The judge should have ordered Meta to place a banner on FB so that everyone can see it and join if they're a victim.
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shimman 4 minutes ago
Wow this is a really good idea. I wonder if the various state trials happening as well should use this for remediation too.

It's not a hard thing to implement on their end and should be mandated by a judge as you said.

Filing this away for later use.

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bwestergard 2 hours ago
They wouldn't profit if the cases didn't have merit.
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boringg 2 hours ago
I mean those class action lawsuits enrich trial lawyers and maybe force companies to behave better (though i bet empirical evidence would show that its more a cost of business).

The 20$ dollars people get is nothing but a guise that the trial lawyers are helping people.

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bilekas 2 hours ago
I'm not sure if the lower price means that class actions shouldn't still be taken.

It's to allow companies to not have to deal with individual claims for each person. I see that the ranges can be substantial though, several thousands, but seems to be criteria.

> Nearly nine months later, Mark received a notification that his claim had been approved. Two weeks after that, $186 was deposited into his bank account. While the amount wasn’t substantial, it covered a grocery run and a phone bill—and more importantly, it reminded him that companies can be held accountable, even in small ways. [0]

[0] https://peopleforlaw.com/blog/how-much-do-people-typically-g...

If the fine's don't dissuade companies from bad practices, the class actions with theoreticaly no upper limit might be a better option to enforce proper behaviour.

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draw_down 2 hours ago
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mchusma 56 minutes ago
You may think Meta is bad. But plaintiff counsel like this are generally the scummiest people in the US. (Maybe not universal, but 90% are morally repugnant).
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malfist 39 minutes ago
How do you know that? How could you know that?

These people are one of the few people holding Meta accountable for their evil acts and because of that you call them "scummiest people in the US"

That's nonsense.

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raw_anon_1111 20 minutes ago
And the lawyers will make millions and the people will make nothing. Facebook won’t make any significant revenue affecting changes.
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dec0dedab0de 34 minutes ago
There are many lawyers that gather up victims for class action payouts and take most of the money for themselves.

They don't even bother trying to get more when they can, because they're just bottom feeding.

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which 30 minutes ago
If you read the settlements that come out of these lawsuits, you will pretty much always find an 8 to low 9 figure settlement (that the lawyers get a third of), maybe some superficial policy changes, and $12 checks to the supposed victims who only became victims when they randomly got an email telling them they should join the lawsuit. The only people who benefit are the lawyers.
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malfist 17 minutes ago
$12 dollars is $12 dollars people wouldn't have without them. You can always opt out of a class action settlement and sue yourself if you're not happy with the terms.

But at the end of the day, the lawyers did real work, took on real risk and achieved something. They held a big tech company accountable, and that is a meaningful difference from the status quo. I don't care that they made money doing that, they should.

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reaperducer 25 minutes ago
The only people who benefit are the lawyers.

My special savings account where I deposit the settlement checks from the various tech companies that have violated my privacy or other rights disagrees.

Sometimes it's 43¢. Sometimes it's $400.

In the last three years, I've put… checking… $5,351.83 in that account because tech companies think laws and morals don't apply to them.

Saying that these lawsuits only benefit lawyers is both false and yet another lazy tech bubble cliche.

Yes, the lawyers get way more than I do. They also did 99% the work, so I don't hold it against them.

Just read the newspaper. Every time you see an article about one of these suits, check it out to see if it applies to you.

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nslsm 21 minutes ago
Hey at least you get to pocket all of that. Here in Europe the government keeps the money and then distributes it to the scum of the Earth. I'd rather give the money to lawyers, at least they did _something_.
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duskdozer 13 minutes ago
>distributes it to the scum of the Earth

Who?

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reaperducer 29 minutes ago
You may think Meta is bad. But plaintiff counsel like this are generally the scummiest people in the US. (Maybe not universal, but 90% are morally repugnant).

As they say, "95% of lawyers give the remaining 5% a bad name."

At the same time, 99% of social networks give the remaining 1% a bad name.

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mrwh 2 hours ago
Meta wants to be an impartial platform only and exactly when it suits them to be.
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zeroonetwothree 32 minutes ago
I think there’s a clear difference in restricting advertising vs organic posts.
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thimabi 23 minutes ago
Meta does both. It has long been said that businesses have little organic reach in Meta’s platforms, as an incentive for them to use ads.
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HWR_14 28 minutes ago
What difference is that?
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tiberius_p 2 hours ago
That's exactly what they're saying.
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kotaKat 2 hours ago
I mean, they spun up a bullshit "Oversight Board" that they can fully 100% choose to ignore and decline to implement their demands when they're made.
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2OEH8eoCRo0 52 minutes ago
Repeal section 230
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ChrisMarshallNY 2 minutes ago
I’m shocked; shocked to hear this!

To be fair, it’s a pretty tacky thing for lawyers to do (but they are fairly well-known for stuff like this). It’s akin to giving out cards for informing on drug dealers, outside a trap house.

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bastard_op 23 minutes ago
I wonder what would happen posting these ads to truth social and twitter.
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pcardoso 2 hours ago
Reminds me of Carl Sagan’s Contact, where Haden, the millionaire funding Ellie’s work, made a TV ad blocker and then sued the TV companies when they refused to play ads for his product.

I wonder if that is what will happen next.

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josefritzishere 23 minutes ago
So they remove class action lawsuits but not pedos. Got it.
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HumblyTossed 2 hours ago
Do photogs do that on purpose, or does Zuck really always have that sociopath stare?
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folkrav 17 minutes ago
Both.
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SpicyLemonZest 53 minutes ago
Zuckerberg is a rich and high profile guy, so photographers capture many pictures of him, and news editors often find that choosing unflattering pictures of people their readers don't like is helpful for reach. This picture in particular was taken after he'd just finished testifying for 8 hours in a February trial, which I think would wear down the best of us, and even among Getty's extensive gallery of pictures taken then (https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/mark-zuckerber...) this one is particularly unflattering IMO.
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alex1138 28 minutes ago
Keep in mind Zuckerberg is someone who supports things like this https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10791198

Zuckerberg was told about gay people being added to groups and it outed them by posting to their wall, and he ignored it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRYnocZFuc4

And obviously https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1692122 (guess we don't get access to his other messages, though https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16770818)

His stare isn't the only thing about him that's sociopathic

Edit: oh yeah and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42651178

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alex1138 17 minutes ago
Guys, there's no need to insta-downvote. I provided substantive evidence. Look in the mirror, and evaluate who you work for
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IncreasePosts 23 minutes ago
I'm sure if people were taking 500 pictures of you, they would capture you in a state like that. Are you a sociopath?
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k33n 2 hours ago
The idea that Meta is obligated to be so impartial that it must allow lawsuits against itself to be promoted on its own platform is a bit naive and utopian.

Its own TOS states that they won’t allow that.

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schubidubiduba 2 hours ago
TOS are not laws. In fact, they often partially violate laws and those parts are then void. In some countries, anything written in TOS that is not "expected to be there" is void.
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mywittyname 29 minutes ago
I kind of wish countries would just define, "terms of service" for everyone and not allow companies to modify them further.
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zeroonetwothree 36 minutes ago
Ok but I don’t really see why this specific term would violate any law? Do we really want a society where platforms are forced to present speech that is harmful to them? If you own a store and I put a sign up on your wall advertising a rival store wouldn’t it be reasonable for you to disallow that?
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raincole 2 hours ago
No one says ToS are laws and especially not the parent commenter.
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Fraterkes 30 minutes ago
The parent comment brings up the ToS as an example of why it's naive to believe Meta is obligated to do something, but what Meta is obligated to do depends on the law.
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raincole 15 minutes ago
And which laws state that Meta is obligated to show ads like this?
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nkrisc 2 hours ago
Fair enough. If they're not impartial then lets hold them accountable for the content published in their platform.
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wnevets 2 hours ago
No! Massive corporations should get to have their cake and eat it too.
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k33n 2 hours ago
I’m not against these companies losing their Section 230 immunity. Social media platforms are, in my personal opinion, publishers in their current form.

If they went back to operating as “friends and family feed providers” then letting them keep their 230 immunity would be easier to justify.

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TheCoelacanth 42 minutes ago
Yes, if they went back to being chronological feeds of people you follow, then they should get to keep Section 230 immunity.

When they are making editorial decisions about what to content to promote to you and what content to hide from you, then they should lose it.

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wbobeirne 58 minutes ago
You are relying on the wrong people to be able to understand that nuanced distinction.
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mc32 2 hours ago
To me that’s how it should be. They shouldn’t have to run ads against themselves yet they should be liable or accountable for harm they are found guilty of.
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pixl97 2 hours ago
>They shouldn’t have to run ads against themselves

This is not how it works when you're found guilty of committing harm. Tobacco companies are a good example of this.

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mc32 2 hours ago
If the government mandates them then yes. If it’s not mandated they have the right to refuse service.
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pixl97 26 minutes ago
The bigger you get the more iffy it gets refusing service to others. Also it can and will be used against you in future civil and criminal cases.
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iinnPP 2 hours ago
I tend to agree with you on this. I wanted to add however that Meta itself lets so many TOS violating ads in, that it seems like special treatment for ads that are much less undesirable than the ads normally pushed.

It's not just a Meta issue either.

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hansvm 50 minutes ago
Companies have to inform affected individuals of data breaches, especially when HIPAA gets involved. Brokers have to inform clients of transaction errors. Auto manufacturers have to inform owners of recalls. Retirement funds have to inform plan participants of lawsuits involving those funds.

You don't even have to invoke the idea that Meta is big enough to be regulated as a public utility for this to have broad precedent in favor of forcing a malicious actor to inform its victims that they might be entitled to a small fraction of their losses in compensation.

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zeroonetwothree 34 minutes ago
Well we aren’t discussing the government requiring meta to inform users. We are discussing whether meta can choose which private actors’ ads to allow. It would seem silly that a platform would be forced to allow all ads.
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dcrazy 18 minutes ago
This is why courts are empowered to infringe upon the rights of parties to the case.
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pixl97 2 hours ago
Remember when we forced the tobacco companies to run ads saying cigarettes are dangerous?

Meta can go fuck themselves with a chainsaw if they think they can produce a harmful product without consequences.

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mirashii 2 hours ago
That idea was not expressed in the article, only the fact that the ads were removed. This is worth covering, especially when coupled with the context for what ads Meta regularly does allow. One does not have to believe that they're obligated to do so while also believing that it's incredibly scummy behavior that consumers should be aware of and question.

https://www.reuters.com/investigations/meta-is-earning-fortu...

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swiftcoder 2 hours ago
> The idea that Meta is obligated to be so impartial

Is their defence of Section 230 protections not in part rooted in that claim of impartiality?

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nradov 60 minutes ago
No. Section 230 doesn't mention anything about impartiality.
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swiftcoder 24 minutes ago
It indeed doesn't, but conservative lawmakers signalled repeatedly that they were unhappy about Meta's protection under section 230 if their moderation policies were not politically neutral
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Zigurd 2 hours ago
There are so many ads for nostrums, cults, get rich quick scams, and other junk that violate TOS, that Meta has a legitimacy problem with their TOS.
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freejazz 2 hours ago
Okay? They're exactly the assholes everyone says they are. That's the point.
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gilrain 2 hours ago
Let’s force them to be obligated to do that, then. “Just let them hurt people, and then let them hide that hurt” kind of sucks for society.
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3form 2 hours ago
Maybe, but so what? Your remark lacks a conclusion.

Mine is that it could then well be required to do so by law. Companies are not individuals, so I don't think they are owed any freedoms beyond what is best for utility they can provide.

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streetfighter64 2 hours ago
The idea that a company can override laws via its TOS is a bit strange.
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BeetleB 12 minutes ago
Genuinely curious. By not allowing a specific type of ad, what law are they breaking?
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Larrikin 2 hours ago
Fuck them and their TOS. They are not a nation state and it would be nice if the government finally showed them that
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hashmap 2 hours ago
at certain scales, reality has to win out over whatever ideal you have in your head about how things should be. facebook is massive, a lot of society is on it, and its a problem to make recourse invisible to people most affected by the thing stealing their attention.
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neuroelectron 58 minutes ago
Reminds me of ChatGPT insisting all news about OpenAI is unverified speculation.
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guywithahat 36 minutes ago
There is a humor that these law firms won a case against Meta and the first thing they did is give them advertising money won from the court case. That said the ads sound pretty aggressive, and from what I've read it sounds like it wasn't a very fair decision. I understand the conflict of interest but I have sympathies for Meta here
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