Are the costs of AI agents also rising exponentially? (2025)
79 points by louiereederson 3 days ago | 7 comments
quicklywilliam 38 minutes ago
Interesting read. I don't know if I quite buy the evidence, but it's definitely enough to warrant further investigation. It also matches up with my personal experience, which is that tools like Claude Code are burning through more and more tokens as we push them to do bigger and bigger work. But we all know the frontier model companies are burning through money in an unsustainable race to get you and your company hooked on their tools.
replySo: I buy that the cost of frontier performance is going up exponentially, but that doesn't mean there is a fundamental link. We also know that benchmark performance of much smaller/cheaper models has been increasing (as far as I know METR only looks at frontier models), so that makes me wonder if the exponential cost/time horizon relationship is only for the frontier models.
dang 4 hours ago
Related ongoing thread:
replyMeasuring Claude 4.7's tokenizer costs - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47807006 (309 comments)
greenmilk 2 hours ago
Are any inference providers currently making profit (on inference, I know google makes money)?
replywavemode 10 minutes ago
Selling inference is not fundamentally different from selling compute - you amortize the lifetime cost of owning and operating the GPUs and then turn that into a per-token price. The risk of loss would be if there is low demand (and thus your facilities run underutilized), but I doubt inference providers are suffering from this.
replyWhere the long-term payoff still seems speculative, is for companies doing training rather than just inference.
wsun19 48 minutes ago
Pretty much every major American inference provider claims to make a profit on API-based inference. Consumer plans might be subsidized overall, but it's hard to say since they're a black box and some consumers don't fully use their plans
replyjagged-chisel 2 hours ago
Google definitely makes money in other areas. Do they make money on inference?
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Difference is that the current prices have a lot of subsidies from OPM
Once the narrative changes to something more realistic, I can see prices increase across the board, I mean forget $200/month for codex pro, expect $1000/month or something similar.
So its a race between new supply of hardware with new paradigm shifts that can hit market vs tide going out in the financial markets.