Ping-pong robot beats top-level human players
14 points by wslh 6 hours ago | 7 comments

dmurray 5 hours ago
A year ago this [0] table tennis robot backed by Google DeepMind was discussed on HN.

It plays much worse and the HN discussion is anchored around whether it's OK to call it "human-level" or if the authors should have clarified that they meant a human who doesn't actually play table tennis. But it was accepted as being SOTA at that time.

What happened since then? This looks like the kind of level of advance we see in, say, coding AIs, but I thought physical robotics was advancing much more slowly.

A partial answer is that the new robot cheats in ways that DeepMind didn't seem to. It has high speed cameras all over the room and can detect spin by observing the logo on the ball. But I'm not sure this explains such a big advance.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43861207

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hermitcrab 24 minutes ago
As a human player (of a not-high standard) I cannot see the spin of the ball directly. I can only infer it from the movement of my opponents bat. So I would wonder that a camera could pick it up in real time.

Also IT'S TABLE TENNIS, NOT PING PONG!

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hermitcrab 18 minutes ago
According to this video it can read the spin:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH8kZDc7OLk

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halfnhalf 13 minutes ago
Don't table tennis players learn to predict how the ball will act based on their opponents movements? Seems like if they aren't able to do that with a robot opponent (who doesn't look or behave like a human) then they wouldn't be able to play at their best.
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amandle 17 minutes ago
Reminds me of the Mitch Hedberg joke: "The depressing thing about tennis is that no matter how good I get, I'll never be as good as a wall."
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finger 9 minutes ago
I wonder if a top player with access to a robot like this can get an extra edge in training?
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tartoran 10 minutes ago
Cool. Now let's see two robots play and if it's fun let it become it's own thing. Other than that, this could be used for training actual players.
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