Arch Linux Now Has a Bit-for-Bit Reproducible Docker Image
49 points by maxloh 8 hours ago | 10 comments

kippinsula 2 hours ago
reproducible images are one of those features where the payoff is mostly emotional until the day it isn't. we had an incident where two supposedly identical images on two machines had a three byte delta in a timestamp and it cost us an afternoon to bisect from the wrong end. boring win, but a real one.
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dev_l1x_be 2 hours ago
All docker containers should have been like that. apt-get update in a docker build step is an anti pattern.
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malikolivier 17 minutes ago
This is to solve such issues that I am using and running StableBuild.

It is a managed service that keeps a cached copy of your dependencies at a specific time. You can pin your dependencies within a Dockerfile and have reproducible docker images.

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DuncanCoffee 50 minutes ago
I know it's an anti-pattern, but what is the alternative if you need to install some software? Pulling its tagged source code, gcc and compile everything?
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rowanG077 38 minutes ago
With a binary cache that is not so bad, see for example what nix does.
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Pay08 33 minutes ago
I don't really see how that's different from a normal binary install of a reproducible package. Especially with the lacking quality of a lot of Nix packages.
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rowanG077 2 minutes ago
It's not? It gives you reproducable docker containers without having to rebuild the world. Wasn't that the entire question?
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aa-jv 2 hours ago
This is a really interesting accomplishment - I am also working heavily on reproducible builds for my firmware projects, and .. lo and behold .. the package manager key administrivia is the final bone to be broken.

I wonder if Arch leading the way on this will prompt other distro's to attempt the same feat. Reproducible builds are important for certification, security and safety-critical applications .. it'd be great to see Linux distros become more conformant to this method.

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Pay08 35 minutes ago
Debian already has an ongoing project for this: https://wiki.debian.org/ReproducibleBuilds.
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fragmede 51 minutes ago
and they said compilers are deterministic...

This is a huge accomplishment! But it wouldn't be so huge if compilers were trivially deterministic. It took 5 decades of development for compilers to get here. I'm sure ChatGPT in 2073 is going to be more deterministic than it was in 2023.

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