I bought Friendster for $30k – Here's what I'm doing with it
180 points by ca98am79 3 hours ago | 84 comments

readitalready 48 minutes ago
I really wish more social networks would have a "fading connections" limit. So many social networks suffer from stale connections and networks, and these connections should expire after a year. Otherwise, it will permanently define a social network's content and editorial direction without algorithmic control. For example, Selena Gomez will always have 400million followers on Instagram, but she's socially irrelevant now. Same with other celebrities, like Kim Kardashian. If connections expired after a year (or 3 months or 6 months), people would have to maintain their social relevance, and it becomes a natural editorial filter, keeping the overall network fresh and relevant.

If you want a business model, require payment for long-term subscriptions or large celebrity/news accounts, but you have to overcome the network effect first. Maybe have a dozen or so permanent connections to start with, like MySpace's 8 priority friends.

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giancarlostoro 27 minutes ago
I feel like that was what made Google Plus better and yet because it was Google shoving everything into Google Plus itself to force numbers… it failed. Circles in Google Plus is the most underrated thing I have ever seen. You can basically group friends under specific labels, so if you want to only share some posts / photos with family, only family will see it, wanna share posts with former and current coworkers? Have at it. Or share with multiple circles or everyone / global.

Its a damn shame Google nerfed it after forcing it on people who werent asking to be forced into it. Google Plus was a very tech heavy Social Media platform, if Google had half a brain they could have built their own serious LinkedIn alternative.

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Petersipoi 14 minutes ago
I completely agree. Circles were great. Unfortunately, they're one of the things that killed Google+. I remember reading an article from one of the creators of Google+ years and years ago. They talked about how asymmetric friending (Alice adding Bob to one of her circles didn't add Alice to any of Bob's circles) prevented the viral network effect that Facebook was able to achieve.

It's a damn shame. I feel like Google giving up on Google+ and Microsoft giving up on Windows phones were both mistakes.

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giancarlostoro 11 minutes ago
> and Microsoft giving up on Windows phones were both mistakes.

You hit me right in the gut, are we long lost siblings? Lol

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TulliusCicero 6 minutes ago
It's a great idea in principle, but it requires some manual work, which most users aren't gonna bother with.
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JumpCrisscross 53 seconds ago
> it requires some manual work, which most users aren't gonna bother with

Dowsing a user's circles from their public information and Gmail inbox seems like a perfect task for AI.

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readitalready 7 minutes ago
Messages group chats are the circles now.
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pants2 6 minutes ago
Also Discord - tons of people use Discord as a social network and keep up with friends. I must have 5 friend groups that have their own Discords with some overlap.
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withinboredom 20 minutes ago
I can only imagine someone looking over my shoulder on vacation to see what I'm posting: "oh, you have a 'close friends' group; why am I not in it?"

Arbitrary labels are great ... until they're not.

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notahacker 16 minutes ago
Arbitrary labels make it really easy to give groups of close friends silly in-joke names rather than "close friends"...
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viccis 8 minutes ago
What killed Google+ is the same thing that prevented Bluesky from ever being good. They had a brief window where everyone wanted to use it, and they kept it locked behind a hard to get invite system for months and months.
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cortesoft 10 seconds ago
I am confused... what is harmed by having stale connections? Why would connections be used as an editorial filter?
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austhrow743 7 minutes ago
>keeping the overall network fresh and relevant

What does this mean? Like in practical feature terms and benefit to the end user?

Your system kills the social networks ability to act as someone's modern day rolodex of contact information of previous acquaintances. What do they get in exchange for that?

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willsmith72 40 minutes ago
Wait Kim and Selena are irrelevant? I guess I'm not keeping up with the times
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650REDHAIR 21 minutes ago
Yeah that was the most out of touch HN comment I’ve seen in a long, long time.

Persistent irrelevant celebrities are a real thing, but those two wouldn’t crack the top 500.

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readitalready 12 minutes ago
I mean Kim & Selena will always have a certain level of celebrity status but people like Sydney Sweeney are currently a lot more popular. This is in terms of "are they the most popular people right now" as their instagram count states. They are literally in the top 10 on instagram right now.
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pixelpoet 11 minutes ago
I honestly can't imagine a stronger indicator of somewhere I don't want to be than it having 400m Kim Kardashian fans
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ejoso 25 minutes ago
I would hate it if the system removed nodes from my network without my influence. Perhaps a rules engine with user defined criteria would be useful.

Ultimately, users define their network in current-day social media and the relevance of any celebrity or other person within it.

400M people still find Selena Gomez relevant to themselves - she’s simply not relevant to you. I asked Gemini very simply “is Selena Gomez relevant” and it responded with essentially “more in 2026 than ever.”

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alex1138 45 minutes ago
Don't worry, Facebook already has Fading Connections

You can be married to each other and your posts won't show up on the other person's feed (there's a post on HN about this)

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razingeden 7 minutes ago
Xitter was kind of doing the same thing: I can’t see anything my mom posts, but I definitely have to see everything Elon’s mom does.
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alwa 23 minutes ago
I don’t post on Facebook—HN is my closest analogue. But I assure you my partner(s) have no interest in seeing whatever I post here. Any more than I want to be in the thick of the extended-family group chats. Or, frankly, Facebook.

In that sense, maybe this is Facebook doing its part for domestic harmony…

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saghm 51 minutes ago
> He said he would sell it to me for $40k. I offered $20k, which he refused but he said if I had any domain names generating ad revenue, we could do a deal of domains and cash. He said he would accept a lower amount if I paid in Bitcoin.

> So we worked out a deal where I gave him $20k in Bitcoin and a domain that was making about $9k/year in ad revenue, and he gave me the domain friendster.com. Now I was the owner of the domain name friendster.com.

I don't know anything about how to project future ad revenue of a domain, but would this be likely to be valued at only $10,000? Unless I'm misremembering my limits, even if it made $4,500 next year and continued to cut in half every year after that, it would still account for $9,000 of revenue projecting indefinitely into the future, even bumping that up to something like 60% of the previous year's revenue it would already put it at more than $10,000 (although I don't know whether ad revenue tends to scale with inflation or not; my instinct is that the prices of ads probably would roughly increase with inflation over time)?

I know I'm nitpicking a bit about the title, but I can't help but actually be curious now that I thought of this.

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wongarsu 30 minutes ago
If you had a steady investment opportunity with 10% return (about in line with long-terms stock market returns), $9000 per year indefinitely is worth the same as $99000 now (in an idealized finance world. In the real world you can't invest $99000 and withdraw $9000 per year because withdrawals during downturns will take out too much. But it's a quick way to calculate equivalent values).

That's obviously an upper bound, because those domains won't make $9000/year forever. But valuing them at $10k if they make $9k/year is equally unsound. Not to mention the domain is worth more than its ad revenue. You could also end up selling it to a company that came up with the name and saw that the domain is available for purchase for some reasonable 4-5 figure amount (like in the example of this very article, where someone buys a domain for a five-figure amount)

Obviously there is a lot we don't know (is the $9k pure profit or are there substantial costs? How likely is the domain to sell?), but it sounds like the seller got the better end of the deal. He got more than $40k in value, in return the author got a deal he could afford

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QuantumNomad_ 17 minutes ago
I imagine that $9k ad revenue is a site that had an actual user base. And that the guy taking over the domain is going to just put all ads and no content, like he had on Friendster.com. And if so, the expected ad income is probably much lower.
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prettyblocks 2 minutes ago
I believe it's 9k/year in parking revenue.
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killingtime74 23 minutes ago
Good analysis. if I was the author I would have just borrowed 20k in a personal loan and paid it off in three years. Of course he may be exaggerating that he gets 9K in Ad revenue per year or he knows that it's going to decline
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soared 41 minutes ago
You can check out similar sales on flippa.com - ad revenue does not last forever, even if it’s existed for years. And revenue is very much not profit, you could create a site and get $100/day in ad revenue tomorrow but it would cost you $200 in ad spend.
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mjamesaustin 2 hours ago
This looks exactly like what I've been looking for. I love the idea of using phone proximity as the only way to add friends.

I think it will be very important for the onboarding process to be effortless, so you should focus on that. Until you reach some kind of saturation, most people will be downloading the app because a friend wants to add them. Having a way to generate a QR download code on my phone when I "add" a friend so they can take a photo and then download it, and immediately connect us, would be huge.

Do you have any kind of development plan for new features?

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collinmcnulty 8 minutes ago
I just signed up and it’s super fast. Download the app, put in your name, allow Bluetooth. No email, no password, nothing.
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QuantumNomad_ 25 minutes ago
I tried to search for Friendster in the App Store and didn’t see it among the first few results. Instead, App Store was returning a sponsored ad followed by normal results for all other kinds of similar annd less similar apps. Instagram, Snapchat, Yubo (never heard of), Monopoly Go (mobile game related to the board game Monopoly), BeFriend (never heard of), Tinder, Friendly Social Browser (never heard of), Facebook, and at that point I stopped scrolling the results.

For a moment I thought maybe the app was US exclusive or something and not available in my region.

But following the link from the post worked fine and I could install it.

I literally searched Friendster and the app is named Friendster but App Store gave me all kinds of other crap in the search result instead. Weird.

Anyway, installed the app finally thanks to the link.

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/friendster/id6760240416

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mikestew 22 minutes ago
Odd, Friendster was the first non-sponsored result for me in the U.S. store.
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ianpenney 23 minutes ago
“My wife and I met on okcupid”

… 11 years going for me. Good on you. I don’t have any other social media accounts. I’ll do my best to join up on this one. Wholesome.

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halamadrid 26 minutes ago
This is quite amazing. I remember being on the original friendster way back in the day. They had so much potential. And there was also orkut.com that was even better because of the simpler UX. Then came Facebook and you all know the rest.
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sikozu 27 minutes ago
This is crazy, but unfortunately I don't have an iPhone otherwise I'd totally sign up.
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hateful 2 hours ago
The only thing I liked when I did use Facebook was the "wall". To be able to post on a friend's wall semi- publically where their friends can see it. Most other Facebook clones have had the idea of tagging, but it wasn't the same. (E.g. Google+)
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dnnddidiej 49 minutes ago
Nice. Quick hypoyhetical. Meta offers $1bn in 5 years time when you have 2m users. Will you sell?

If so this is a meta-or-dead social network.

Making it federated etc. would make me trust it more.

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pixel_popping 40 minutes ago
Anyone will sell any project for $1bn, absurd take.
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sikozu 26 minutes ago
I'd probably sell any project of mine for $1m, I'm very cheap.
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MattRix 33 minutes ago
That is literally their point.
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trueno 24 minutes ago
yea the moment 1bn was on the table id quickly think about how not-necessary social media is for humanity and id take the check and peace out like tom from myspace & proceed to drink liquor out of coconuts on a beach somewhere.

though id have the utmost respect for someone who could hold onto the possibility to threaten the facebook/instagram/snapchat moat, realistically i don't think anyone in here could stick to the ideals so strongly.

it's not even a valuable thought exercise. if this thing were to gain any traction at all it's assuredly gonna get acquired. you gotta be tech-buddha to resist that.

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echoangle 2 minutes ago
I think the point was that it should be unsellable. If it’s federated, how are you able to sell it? Then, it could be trusted.
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ca98am79 5 minutes ago
or already have enough money
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skybrian 41 minutes ago
I'm imagining one of those tiny libraries with a garden gnome in it with a cheap phone inside, connected to a garden gnome Friendster account.

And then it gets stolen and has a trip around the world, meeting new people.

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addedGone 2 hours ago
We can't seem to be able to login from the website, it requires an Apple account? The UI might not be showing up properly.
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altairprime 2 hours ago
It’s app-only, right?
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sikozu 26 minutes ago
iOS only unfortunately. Big shame.
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xvxvx 9 minutes ago
Well, this sounds sketchy as hell. Pass.
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lwhi 2 hours ago
Why no android app?
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ca98am79 56 minutes ago
I plan to make one in the future. It's just me
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pixel_popping 2 hours ago
Why no website as well? Can't use it from a laptop, it's a bit strange for a social media, many don't like typing on a phone.
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randallsquared 13 minutes ago
That's a great question, since the genesis of this was the domain name, which no one using the app will care about or visit. That is, the only thing that was actually needed here was the trademark, it appears.
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GaryBluto 2 hours ago
Especially odd considering that Friendster began at a time when social media on phones was unheard of.
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Quarrelsome 50 minutes ago
I remember when we considered a website that tells the user to download an app an anti-pattern (e.g. earlier versions of iMusic).
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s0a 2 hours ago
why not a proper Progress Web App so it can run on any device independent of app stores? it's not as though a social app needs deep OS integration. I'm sure Claude or Codex could vibe code that in an afternoon.
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axoltl 53 minutes ago
The central point of this app is to determine proximity of two devices. That's not possible today in a cross-platform way using web apps.
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s0a 4 minutes ago
PWA has access to bluetooth (BLE on all platforms) and NFC on Android
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pixel_popping 51 minutes ago
You can with the Geolocation API.
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bossyTeacher 53 minutes ago
The main functionality to add friends is that you need to use the phones physically touching feature of iPhones. This doesn't exist in Android afaik.

The guy wants people to meet in person rather than doing social media the normie way.

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toyg 25 minutes ago
Android has QuickShare which can be leveraged.

For the record, the feature you describe was first introduced on Samsung phones 14 years ago - and later removed, likely after poor adoption. Because Apple "reinvented it", it's now planned to be reintroduced on Android too.

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moffkalast 60 minutes ago
Clearly targeted towards a US only audience I guess?
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gpm 55 minutes ago
Even in the US... something like half of people have an android.

Starting a network effect product like a social network where you exclude half the social graph seems like... quite a decision.

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pixel_popping 52 minutes ago
It's likely much more than half because I don't see a guy working on his laptop and switching on his phone to be able to answer messages, I personally never use social medias on a phone, it's annoying to type.
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QuantumNomad_ 8 minutes ago
I prefer most communication to happen from my phone. Keeps the laptop less distracting when I don’t talk with people so much on it. Except Slack on work computer. That one I keep open and use for talking with coworkers. But that’s because it’s part of the job, and also relevant for me and them to be talking about things we are working on.
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citizenkeen 53 minutes ago
Worked for Facebook.
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bluebarbet 26 minutes ago
>I don’t really care about making money from [$project], but I’d like it to eventually pay for itself.

Warning bells. Slippery slopes. I think we should know by now that social networks do not mix well with the advertising business model. It would have been nice to see that eventuality ruled out explicitly here (PS: for the future as well as just for now).

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ca98am79 16 minutes ago
"no ads" - it is explicitly stated on the website and app store page
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malfist 11 minutes ago
Facebook also didn't have ads when it started
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vidarh 23 minutes ago
> Friendster was the first social network

Friendster was not the first social network.

sixdegrees.com had it beat by 5 years.

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trueno 27 minutes ago
i bought friendster for 30k, heres what it taught me about b2b sales
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gnabgib 3 hours ago
Related: Friendster Relaunch (28 points, 3 days ago, 14 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47883307

Ask HN: How to make Friendster great? (98 points, 11 months ago, 141 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44053119

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dang 2 hours ago
(The one from 3 days ago never made the frontpage so we won't treat it as a dupe)
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mmclar 2 hours ago
Can you please make it (and keep it) so that friendships are symmetrical? I.e., "friend" rather than "follow". IMO that's the enshittification inflection point of Facebook.
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Ferdinandpferd 2 hours ago
Or at least use proper terminology for following someone with reciprocity: stalking.
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hoppyhoppy2 2 hours ago
do you mean "without reciprocity"?
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kgwxd 39 minutes ago
Bought Friendster, posted about it on Medium. Can't wait for the Justin.tv live stream!
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trueno 28 minutes ago
lmao i cannot stand medium. the amount of articles i've clicked into on medium that start with

"in todays fast paced business environment.."

the incentive structure on medium is so busted. just people churning out half-working insights to look good for job interviews or promotions, it's like the worlds laziest portfolio. it straight up isn't any sort of bastion of knowledge-share.

makes things like https://beej.us/guide/ an absolute treasure

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philipnee 2 hours ago
thanks for bringing it back!
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yieldcrv 27 minutes ago
on the fading connection and monetization - you could let people pay to re-up the connection from fading as opposed to meeting in person again first, and its makes them really think about whether meeting in person is worth happening again or would ever happen again, is the connection itself valuable in another way any way

on instagram, there is a social disincentive to unfollow people and you can also make someone else unfollow you in a couple ways (the button that does just that, as well as blocking someone for a second and unblocking them), doing these actions has a real cost to confrontation. people you thought you would never see again will see you again and say "I thought we were following each other???? oooo :O ... ooooh >:O"

you are making that activity a first class citizen, with no presumption of ill will behind it, this has value to it

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deadbabe 58 minutes ago
Could you make it so you can have group chats but you can invite anyone you’ve tapped before and they can all talk together (but still not be able to talk outside the group chat)
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ca98am79 56 minutes ago
yes this is already included
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breezywheezy 31 minutes ago
He gave the guy $20k dollars in bitcoin (I can’t say how much bitcoin that is because it fluctuates too much to be a stable currency), to buy a dead domain that makes $9k a year in at revenue.

What an absolute garbage economy.

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