Statue of a man blinded by a flag put up by Banksy in central London
120 points by dryadin 3 hours ago | 71 comments

periodjet 33 minutes ago
Banksy is the patron saint of the “I’m 13 and this is deep” mentality.
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have_faith 16 minutes ago
Are you from the UK and know what the piece is a reference to? It’s topical and unpretentious and comes at a time where the country is splintering. Feels a like a bit of a distant midwit take to take shots at the appeal it has.
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andai 6 minutes ago
Explain like I'm 13 and don't live in the UK.
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hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 6 minutes ago
Splintering? You have two zombie parties that are really the same in different colours. Of course people are going to vote for other parties that seem more left/right wing. Predictable consequence.
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TehCorwiz 16 minutes ago
"Blinded by nationalism" I don't know, seems like a clear concise message that has relevance in today's world.
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miketery 6 minutes ago
Why nationalism? A flag can represent more than a nation. Can be blinded by any "flag" / ideology.
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MattGaiser 47 seconds ago
Flags overwhelmingly represent nations, groups considering themselves nations, that were nations or have some kind of individual governmental status.
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hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 9 minutes ago
Is it though? This can mean anything. Is waving a Palestinian flag the same as waving an Israeli flag? Where do we draw the line between harmful and productive nationalism? Who exactly is blinded by nationalism?

It is vague enough to appear deep to those trying to find something deep but not concrete enough to appear as anything that will stick in people's minds for more than a week. Unfortunately a lot of modern art is like this.

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garyfirestorm 3 minutes ago
waving any flag and thinking its us or them is equally blinding. the world is not vacuum and to coexist we need to put flags behind and work together.
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cm2012 6 minutes ago
Both Israel and Palestine are blinded by ideology. It is a very common failure mode for people.
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ryandrake 13 minutes ago
Heaven forbid someone tries to communicate a point with art.
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infinitewars 14 minutes ago
I think it deserves credit for being both simple and original.
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jiriro 6 minutes ago
> Banksy is the patron saint of the “I’m 13 and this is deep” mentality.

You are wrong.

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rvba 21 minutes ago
Really riles up PE types and "patriots" though.
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TacticalCoder 8 minutes ago
He's also king of the "I'll criticize the west but I'll turn a blind-eye to non-democratic countries' wrongdoings". A trait shared with virtually all intellectuals and artists in the west.

There are fights worth fighting: for example there are 300 million women alive who have undergone forced genital mutilation. 300 million ain't cheap change. There are also hundreds of millions of people who applauded the killing of 1200 young civilians who were enjoying life at a music festival "because it's resistance".

Applauding the killing of young unarmed civilians, genitally mutilating women and turning a blind-eye to a regime slaughtering 30 000+ of its own unarmed civilians is where I personally draw the line and consider there are maybe more important things to complain about than, say, "the patriarchal western society built by heterosexual white men" or some other woke non-sense like that.

Now to be honest Banksy did art criticizing war overall, not just war started by the west. So a generous reading could consider that he also criticizes things like the 800 000 deaths during the Hutu vs Tutsi war.

But still overall: lots of balls from western artists when it's about criticizing the west, but tiny tiny nuts when it's about, say, attacking the ideology that is responsible for 300 people enjoying music at the Bataclan and then getting slaughtered.

But these people can live with their own conscience: I speak up and I've got mine.

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vkou 18 minutes ago
This criticism would carry more weight if the people this statue criticises had the intellectual and emotional maturity beyond that of a teenager.

Unfortunately, they often don't meet that bar, so the message has to be in a form they can understand.

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9dev 11 minutes ago
"They'd be pretty angry if they could read"
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krapp 10 minutes ago
You're being downvoted but honestly the "everyone is twelve now" meme explains our collective societal dysfunction perfectly.

There's no point to complexity or subtlety in art anymore, everyone is twelve now.

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odyssey7 14 minutes ago
Maybe, but in 100 years, people looking back on the current era will easily understand the work. It symbolically communicates something about the spirit of the age.
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ggm 58 minutes ago
The point is not just that he's blinded by the flag: He's boldly marching into the void, confident. "wrapped in the flag" is a great saying.
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ua709 38 minutes ago
Worse than a void because a void is not necessarily bad. Walking “off a cliff” rarely ends well.
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forgotusername6 53 minutes ago
I think it's a reasonable statue. But does anyone else think it's a bit obvious, more so than his other work? Like there is no doubt on the meaning at all, it's all right there on the surface level.
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tene80i 40 minutes ago
Not sure we think of Banksy as being particularly subtle. Innovative and impactful, sure - but the message is usually quite clear, no?
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morkalork 3 minutes ago
It's always been about as subtle as a sledge hammer
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tialaramex 38 minutes ago
I don't think most of his work is trying for subtle? First thing that came to mind: "Slave Labour" is pretty obvious, it's a kid operating a sewing machine to make Union flags and it was painted an actual pound shop. Were you unsure of the message? Even something like "Silent Majority" isn't difficult, the comic book "V for Vendetta" makes the exact same point just Banksy painted it as a mural.
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tbrownaw 44 minutes ago
> there is no doubt on the meaning at all

Which flag? Or, what kind of flag? Or does it matter?

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wartywhoa23 31 minutes ago
It is universal. The flag, the state, the man. Details don't matter.
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wand3r 47 minutes ago
Certainly in America but all over the west, people are significantly less capable of media literacy. Sometimes the obvious needs to be said.
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thinkingemote 45 minutes ago
it gets people talking which many of those who like it consider to be the primary point. In other words, it's not great public art, it's basically government approved engagement bait or engineered pro-establishment viral messaging and it's very successful at that! (but it doesn't inspire and elevate that art should aspire to)
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nickthegreek 37 minutes ago
> engineered pro-establishment viral messaging

I don’t understand this. What speaks pro-establishment in this piece?

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teekert 27 minutes ago
If one can read this as pro-establishment, it's proof that the the art is indeed not so obvious as suggested above :)
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moritzwarhier 2 minutes ago
If I'd take a guess, I'd say you can interpret it as negative when considering it a nation flag and being against "globalism".

You could also see it as a metaphor for "blinded by beliefs", easily.

I used to dismiss Banksy too, apart from some shallow aestheticism, not least because of his omnipresent success.

But with this work, I feel pretty much unable to look down on it, because it's a simple yet effective display of a timeless trope, and timely as in "feels relevant to current events".

I didn't "feel" any of his other works very much, but it's not important to me if it's "obvious".

In my city, there's an effin statue of a car with wings, somewhere between all the other cars (so I never bothered to note it, only saw pictures of this travesty, in my home town). And people consider it "art" :D

So, seems like some kind of "obvious" message helps when putting up public artwork.

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Jtarii 38 minutes ago
I think a good old fashined "we are all fucked" is warranted now and again.

It's also referencing the recent flag controversies in the UK over the past year.

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zeroonetwothree 50 minutes ago
Yes doesn’t feel very innovative
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vscode-rest 37 minutes ago
Do know know of any “prior art”, so to speak?
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mindslight 46 minutes ago
Well the problems its referencing are glaringly obvious as well, and yet so many people still refuse to acknowledge them.
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twoodfin 17 minutes ago
I have the same reaction to Banksy, and figure he and his audience just have to be in on the joke? I can’t discount there’s some layered irony going on in conversation between the artist and the intellectual / capitalist / trend-setting elite that are his effective patrons.

“I remember when all this was trees” [1] is maybe the best example. Detroit hasn’t been “trees” in something like two centuries. Platitudes doused in treacle.

[1] https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/10/01/ba...

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dahdum 22 minutes ago
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rorylawless 37 minutes ago
Statues are probably the least sophisticated type of art being as they are a literal representation of the subject. I believe this is part of the message Banksy intends to convey with this statue.
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schoen 52 minutes ago
I misparsed this headline as

(Statue (of a man (blinded by a flag (put up by Banksy)))) in central London

It is intended to be

((Statue (of a man (blinded by a flag))) (put up by Banksy)) in central London

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tolerance 35 minutes ago
The actual headline is more coherent but I'm not too fond of it either.

You really don't see any good ol' fashioned short and sweet headlines that read best to the ear in a Mid-Atlantic accent anymore.

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vscode-rest 29 minutes ago
Banksy erects central London statue of man blinded by flag, maybe?
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wartywhoa23 23 minutes ago
Banksy's "anonymity" is a total farce at this point, thoroughly supported by those in power.
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Lerc 8 minutes ago
I'm not sure what you mean by "Those in power" there are lot's of people who know, but recognise that he has chosen anonymity and see no value in putting a name to the person.

It's not so much a secret as it is simply not public.

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toyg 6 minutes ago
Who cares? Are you similarly triggered by The Rock or Alemao? Banksy is Banksy.
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nickthegreek 34 minutes ago
The piece states that it appears to be molded fiberglass. But is anyone aware of any more in depth analysis of its materials/possible production technique? Was the pillar barren on top before?
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ZeroGravitas 10 minutes ago
The pillar is fiberglass too, I believe.

There's a (mostly terrible) documentary about a previous bansky "statue" deposited in London that, in one of its better moments, tracks down the people who actually make statues for artists like banksy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Banksy_Job

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tommica 47 minutes ago
Yeah, definetly had the city agree to it, no way in hell to sneak a statue like that without the cops getting involved.
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vscode-rest 19 minutes ago
The trick is not to sneak it. Hi Viz and some yellow flashing lights. Couple smooth talkers.
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gib444 38 minutes ago
Agreed. Also why it's totally inoffensive

(Though it's not in /the/ City of London. That wouldn't happen in a million years! City of Westminster is way more culturally flexible)

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seydor 47 minutes ago
Anyone else leaving up a huge statue in the middle of the park would be arrested
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xyzelement 9 minutes ago
It took me a minute to figure out why I think it's lame.

I suspect that Banksy and his fans are sure that it's "the other" Britons that are blinded, it's not a self-reflection prompt for them. Maybe I am wrong.

Maybe a more powerful piece of art would have that self reflection effect across the board. As is it feels about as nuanced as "fuck trump" and similar. If you already agree you already agree, if not then you just think it's stupid. So ultimately feels like impotent art unless I am totally misunderstanding.

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slopinthebag 16 minutes ago
Wind bad.
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dickens5 33 minutes ago
Trite and uninspiring. Banksy trying to stay relevant and failing.
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lschueller 3 minutes ago
Well, for a failing artist he is quite impactful, isn't he? News around the world reporting about it. People discussing it. This seems to be quite inspiring and anything else but failing.
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nickdothutton 21 minutes ago
Remember kids. Don't believe in anything. Don't join anything. Don't give even a small part of yourself up to anything. Don't be part of anything bigger than yourself.
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wartywhoa23 14 minutes ago
Don't be part of anything bigger than yourself that treats you as expendable human oil.
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bdangubic 20 minutes ago
much more sound advice than you think…
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AlexandrB 46 minutes ago
Which flag?
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rootlocus 45 minutes ago
The one he's carrying.
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shocks 45 minutes ago
Any flag.
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Simulacra 27 minutes ago
A black flag!
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MrBuddyCasino 41 minutes ago
Really makes you think. I guess Palestine and Ukraine should just give up.
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dickens5 31 minutes ago
Palestine should give up on the terrorist attacks, certainly. No-one but the worst of the worst Islamists want to see another October 7th.
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ebbi 7 minutes ago
Israel should give up on the apartheid, genocide, and the war crimes. No one but the worst of the worst Zionists want to see the continuation of the last 80 years.
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metalman 57 minutes ago
Statue of a man in a suit walking off a precipice while blinding himself with the flag he is carrying.

https://banksy.co.uk/index.html

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Gongo_Emperor 47 minutes ago
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jansan 38 minutes ago
Who decides that this is from Banksy? I could make a stencil graffiti in my village and claim it's from Banksy and noone could prove me wrong. Or is he using a digital signature as proof of authorship?
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matteason 35 minutes ago
He posts on his Instagram to verify authenticity: https://www.instagram.com/p/DXwf7pis6KT
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vessenes 36 minutes ago
If you want to know authenticity, you submit to https://pestcontroloffice.com/auth1.asp -- they verify / deny, and that is the final word.
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bjourne 18 minutes ago
Is that site for real? It almost seems like some kind of Monty Pythonesque humour site.
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infinitewars 13 minutes ago
Yes it's real: https://banksy.co.uk/in.html (licensing)
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seydor 35 minutes ago
His agent would tell the media that your vandalism is not genuine
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