Wi is Fi: Understanding Wi-Fi 4/5/6/6E/7/8 (802.11 n/AC/ax/be/bn)
37 points by homebrewer 3 days ago | 14 comments

niobe 6 minutes ago
An impressive attempt to summarise Wi-Fi which is a very deep topic. However I think the executive summary already missed the most critical thing about Wi-Fi:

only 1 transmitter at a time per channel - across all WLANs, yours and your neighbours, with no deterministic way to avoid collisions.

It's a shared medium and it's not even half duplex, unlike the dedicated full duplex you would typically get with an ethernet cable to a switch port.

The fact that Wi-Fi achieves what it does with this limitation, and how it co-ordinates the dance of multiple unknown clients using the same medium - and in the presence of other RF technologies to boot - is indeed an incredible technology story, but this achilles heel is the single most defining thing about Wi-Fi performance.

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anyfoo 10 minutes ago
> Wi-Fi signal strength decreases at an exponential rate as you move further away from a router.

This is surprising to me. I'd have guessed it decreases quadratically (i.e. due to the inverse square law), not exponentially.

The paragraph below seems to contain an explanation, but I don't really understand it (namely because I don't know what that percentage "Coverage" column actually means, or what we mean with "the total distance at each QAM step").

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wonnage 7 minutes ago
yeah, it's pretty common to refer to x^2 as exponential colloquially since there's A. an exponent B. a single term for all values (vs. quadratic, cubic, quartic...)

But you're technically correct!

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anyfoo 40 seconds ago
I'm actually not sure that they don't actually mean exponentially. There's something about not only increasing the distance, but potentially also the modulation (and thus the symbol rate) stepping down, which maybe in total causes the decline to be ~exponential? But it's not clear to me at all.

But also the sentence uses "signal strength", not "throughput", so that would suggest quadratically. But I guess "signal strength" could be meant colloquially and mean more than just the raw signal power received by the antenna, here.

It's all very fuzzy to me, as it stands.

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amluto 5 minutes ago
Do you also think that f(x) = x^1 is exponential? How about f(x) = x^0?
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KingMachiavelli 35 minutes ago
I'd like to understand why the WiFi spec developed so slowly from G to N and finally to AC but now it's seems like a new version is released every other year yet many of the features/extensions are poorly implemented or have nearly 0 real world improvement.
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crims0n 24 minutes ago
Surely some of that was need. When G was dominant from around 2004-2009 the theoretical maximum was 54mbps… most people were still on DSL or cable at the time, often capping out way below that.
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Havoc 56 minutes ago
Nice detailed article!

Finding it increasingly difficult to avoid bottlenecks though. Even with wifi 7 I still get 1.3 on my mac and 0.5 on iphone. More than enough realistically, but upstream internet is 1.7 so tiny bit unfortunately

Think I'm just going to wire the place with 10 gig fiber

>The speed advantages that Access Points have over mesh systems will become much more obvious with Wi-Fi 7.

From what I've read mesh devices generally can detect when they've got wired backhaul so they can stay in mesh mode for the clean handovers while not relying on it for actually moving data

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anyfoo 34 minutes ago
Due to boring circumstances outside of my control, I have to use WiFi for the most part, so I've got quite some experience with making it run optimally (or rather, as optimally as I managed to, not as optimally as I would like it to).

And yeah, you pretty much already have to have a visible line of sight to get anything even close to 1 Gbps. And still be on channels with little interference. (DFS helps if you're not near radar, which intentionally causes you to get kicked off those channels and lose connection entirely.) And even then you might have to mess about a lot with positioning, because of reflections and generally multipath propagation.

I'd say it's not worth the headache. I would love to lay down Ethernet cable, even if it was just cabling only suitable for 1 Gbps (for which there's no good reason to, might as well do 10 Gbps).

But yeah, any mesh system worth its salt figures out the topology and absolutely favors wired links over WiFi for the back haul. Anything else wouldn't make any sense at all, there is basically no situation where you'd prefer an RF channel over a wire, unless the wire is maybe made of wet string.

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walrus01 14 minutes ago
> And yeah, you pretty much already have to have a visible line of sight to get anything even close to 1 Gbps

If one considers that the higher speeds in 802.11ac and 802.11be require 256QAM modulation or better, this is completely expected (assuming 5 GHz band of course, which doesn't go through material very well at all). If you've sen a live eyeball chart of a 256QAM or 1024QAM constellation on test equipment for clear-air microwave link purposes, and seen how quickly it can degrade or get fuzzy if there's anything in the way of the link, it becomes more readily apparent. MCS levels 8 and onwards here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi-Fi_7

"Clean" eyeball example of 256QAM: https://www.everythingrf.com/community/what-is-256-qam-modul...

examples of "fuzzy qam" in 16QAM, same principle applies to denser QAM

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Typical-eye-diagram-Symb...

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walrus01 21 minutes ago
how many spatial streams are you using (2x2, 3x3, etc) and are you using an 80 or 160 MHz channel?

If you have a set of full capability 802.11be clients you'll see the best performance with a 3x3 AP and 160 MHz channels.

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Neywiny 2 hours ago
Good to see the subjective adjectives in the RF world are here too. Except they're not the same ordering, as EH is before UH for WiFi but after in RF
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ibatindev 12 minutes ago
Once again, IEEE 802.11ah -Wi-Fi HaLow-, completely forgotten. This one would be perfect for all the lights/sensors.
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walrus01 11 minutes ago
Latest-gen zigbee stuff and zwave 800 seems to have already thoroughly occupied that niche for a great deal of home and office automation equipment.
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