Minnesota becomes first state to ban prediction markets
117 points by ortusdux 2 hours ago | 36 comments

superfrank 9 minutes ago
For the record, Minnesota currently has a complete ban on sports betting.

We've seen a couple other states that allow sports betting go after prediction markets. Personally, I feel that any state that allows sports betting is going to struggle to argue a case to ban prediction markets because you're essentially arguing over implementation details. Even arguments that certain prediction markets are ripe for insider trading or morally wrong fall a bit flat when you realize that traditional sportsbooks let you bet on things like college basketball player props and the little league world series.

I'm still not sure Minnesota will win their case, but it feels like that detail gives them a lot better chance of winning compared to many other states.

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VikingCoder 2 hours ago
Anyone taking bets on how that ban will last?
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hootz 27 minutes ago
Anyone taking bets on whether that bet will be available in prediction markets by the end of the week?
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superfrank 5 minutes ago
I hope someone is. From the bill:

> EFFECTIVE DATE This section is effective August 1, 2026, and applies to crimes committed on or after that date.

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mark212 2 hours ago
as the article notes, prediction markets are regulated by the CFTC as a commodities futures contract, so I'm not sure how any state law survives a federal pre-emption challenge. On the other hand, it's a little unusual to see a federal agency suing to protect its turf. Would've expected a class action by a Minnesota user of the service to bring the challenge instead.
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ranger207 37 minutes ago
I'm curious to see how this works out, because sports betting is _not_ in the CFTC's remit, and Kalshi etc's argument that states can't regulate them because they're not technically sports betting is contrary to the spirit of the law
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nojito 22 minutes ago
There’s no “house” or “book” aspect to Kalshi. They are nothing more than contracts that are bought and sold between individuals.
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SoftTalker 18 minutes ago
How do they make money?
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nojito 17 minutes ago
Just like other exchanges.

They charge trading fees.

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hilariously 9 minutes ago
What about the special partners that put up bets that are basically just methods to launder the fact that there's a house?
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1899-12-30 2 hours ago
*Minnesota becomes first state to ban the use of prediction markets as a loophole for sports gambling.
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everdrive 2 hours ago
I wonder if it can really be enforced. It's clear that prediction markets are a scourge -- there seems to be no upside whatsoever.
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stock_toaster 2 hours ago
At the very least maybe it would make the advertising (tv, college campuses, etc) of prediction markets illegal in Minnesota?

That alone seems like a good thing.

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tancop 13 minutes ago
there is one upside, its a big incentive to indirectly leak things like album release dates and military operations. anything that helps get some secrets out is a positive in my book
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bronson 41 minutes ago
No upside whatsoever? Clearly you're not an insider trader.
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delichon 60 minutes ago
I get a lot of value from prediction markets and query for them most days. Today for the Los Angeles Mayor's race and the Kentucky 4th district Representative race. In both cases I saw a big difference between the market and the vibe on my feeds. I believe that the market emits higher quality predictions.

Each market is a community with a financial incentive to think outside of the bubble.

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nom 2 hours ago
Thanks to crypto it can't be enforced and is here to stay, like all forms of online gambling.
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rizzom5000 56 minutes ago
Do you also believe there is no upside in crowdsourced information found in, say, commodities, equities and futures markets?
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justonceokay 41 minutes ago
Those markets create pressure to ensure that real physical goods and useful services are priced accurately. Prediction “markets“ are in my estimation no different than roulette.

If you cross your eyes hard enough, you could claim that roulette gambling provides economic pressure to ensure that roulette wheels are balanced evenly. But when the roulette wheel is Vanah White’s dress color, what does that mean? Charitably, it’s a fun pass time. Through a dystopian lens, prediction markets pressure all public figures to play a kind of Keynsian Beauty Contest with their own behavior. Like social cooling for the celebrity/owning class.

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free_bip 42 minutes ago
Those are not the same as prediction markets
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cft 20 minutes ago
Makes sense, they are banned in Somalia as well:

- Most traditional Islamic scholars view general prediction markets as non-compliant (Haram) due to their resemblance to gambling (maisir) and excessive uncertainty (gharar).

- Somalia’s 1962 Penal Code (still the active basis for criminal law) explicitly criminalizes gambling and "games of chance" involving money. Because traditional prediction markets are structurally viewed as betting, they fall under these criminal prohibitions.

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abrowne 16 minutes ago
There's plenty of legal gambling in Minnesota. To quote the Minnesota Legislative Reference Library it includes

"horse racing, a card club at Canterbury Park, Indian tribal casinos, charitable gambling, and a state lottery."

(https://www.lrl.mn.gov/guides/guides?issue=gambling)

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numbsafari 19 minutes ago
Do explain the Somalia connection you perceive. Please, go on…
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_doctor_love 14 minutes ago
Here's some troll food for ya: he's reaching Hacker News level of "noticing"

/s

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steve1977 58 minutes ago
Isn't the stock market a prediction market as well?
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kube-system 6 minutes ago
No, a stock is a share of ownership in a company.

Now yes, people bet on the derivative value of those ownership shares... but that also happens to basically every asset. If a stock is a prediction market, then so is corn, and gold, and your home.

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foobarchu 35 minutes ago
The difference in my mind is that prediction markets and gambling are betting on outcomes, not long term behaviors. You could make the argument that they are the same, in the sense that buying a stock is "betting" on a company to do well, but I think you'd be making a silly argument. Stocks are intangible these days, but they were traditionally a physical thing that one would trade. If you're betting on prediction markets, there's nothing to trade after the event happens, just payouts.
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SoftTalker 10 minutes ago
Stocks are shares of ownership. Now, in practice many people buy them as bets, but even those aren't really predictions. Prediction markets are time-boxed all-or-nothing plays. You are either correct, or you lose your entire stake.
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nojito 19 minutes ago
Not exactly. Kalshi is binary options. Not stocks.
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wnc3141 53 minutes ago
I think the stocks don't have a arbiter managing a discrete outcome between parties that don't have any KYC compliance.
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calvinmorrison 17 minutes ago
where did the lear about this?
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SilverElfin 2 hours ago
Doesn’t this violate commerce between states, effectively?
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tardedmeme 59 minutes ago
It does, but the constitution's already been shredded and it's dog-eat-dog in the political space right now, so we'll see how it goes.
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tardedmeme 60 minutes ago
If a prediction market uses AI will this violate the federal ban on states impeding AI?
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foobarchu 26 minutes ago
Using AI to identify the ideal neighborhoods to sell meth in doesn't mean it's legal to sell meth.
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