The Ask
26 points by digitallogic 3 days ago | 16 comments

danjl 2 hours ago
Harsh take: AI should replace most middle management. It is the easiest part of an organization to replace. The people making things should mostly communicate about company strategy, cross-team issues, and job requirements with an AI. There should be a handful of high-level strategy on top of the AI. The AI should have access to all the documents for the company. The middle management should be put in a spaceship along with HR and sent off to another planet so the people who build things can just get stuff done. This will never happen.
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andrewmutz 49 minutes ago
I don't agree with this.

But I also found the article really unsatisfying. The idea that middle management should spend enormous amounts of time building relationships because other middle managers got vibes that one day it might be useful is insane. I think the article represents the worst of big, slow tech bureaucracies.

Replacing middle management with AI would not work, but using AI to avoid managers needing to have all these meetings would probably work really well. The idea that there's some AI system that has access to all the documents/email/task management systems at the company is a good one, and it could identify situations (like the one in the article) where two projects on opposite ends of the organization are colliding.

Instead of two middle managers needing to do 1:1s with no clear need for years because other middle managers got vibes that they should could be replaced by an AI system that uncovered situations like the ones mentioned in the article.

This wouldnt replace middle managers, but it might help them do their jobs better.

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fallous 29 minutes ago
Adding AI to an organization that is somehow making process decisions based on "vibes" isn't going to solve problems, it's simply going to add yet another problem generator to a dysfunctional system.
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danjl 43 minutes ago
I mostly agree. I'm curious to hear more details about why you think AI cannot replace middle management?
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cweagans 58 minutes ago
I have a theory. How close does the following describe you?

* You're an engineer with 3-6 years of experience in a primarily IC role

* Maybe you've done some tech lead stuff, but you've never actively worked in engineering management.

* You feel that management (and HR for some reason?) is constantly in the way of you getting stuff done, and that your life would be easier if you could simply decline every meeting and only communicate through pull requests.

Humor me, please. I'll explain after.

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LPisGood 53 minutes ago
For the sake of moving this along, that describes me perfectly. Please, continue.
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danjl 52 minutes ago
I have 35+ years experience as a manager and engineer at large enterprise tech companies (what the kids now call FAANG, though some of the company names were different back then), and was a Founder, CEO and CTO at a $7M VC funded company and several other "differently-funded" startups.
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qsxfthnkp2322 52 minutes ago
It’s a trap.
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busterarm 30 minutes ago
Couple decades in with some leading but still remaining an IC officially.

The right work just doesn't get done without staff engineers and architect types having frequent conversations & meetings as well as constant code reviewing. Or long-term ICs effectively doing this role without the title and expectations/responsibilities (raises hand). You can identify these people because they ask questions relentlessly. Always well-considered ones, but even the ones that might make them look stupid in a meeting.

Coding is a small percentage of the work but also just as important. That's the sweet spot. The "non-stop meetings/socializing" people and the "headphones on & grind PRs" types are both two extremes of behavior that are boat-anchors in any organization and will bring productivity/customer-impact to a screeching halt if it goes unchecked for long enough.

And it's _always_ those stupid-seeming questions that uncover showstopping problems that would have bit you if left ignored.

Edit: Not to greenlight anything Palantir is doing, but in my opinion the FDE/FDSE model is probably everyone's near-future if your company is B2B. You can't be an "ignore meetings" type of person and do that.

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jdw64 12 minutes ago
How did you start freelancing? -> The Ask: I want to become a Korea-based freelancer securing work from the US
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1123581321 2 hours ago
I liked this, although it seemed like there were unusual typos/missing words for Rands in a couple of places. Is this a book draft?

It's a good exercise to mentally go around the a meeting room and think about what each person wants from it. Given Rands' job, he obviously starts thinking about it earlier, and for longer, but even a few minutes while everyone's settling in and chit-chatting can make a difference in how you participate.

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JSR_FDED 3 hours ago
This is either very profound or not at all. Can’t figure out which.
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jaggederest 3 hours ago
I think much of this kind of management faffery might be like advertising - I know half is useless, but I'll be damned if I can figure out which half.
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SoftTalker 50 minutes ago
Half useless, half unnecessary.
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subygan 2 hours ago
I hate middle management as much as the next guy.

but in this case, specifically. who are these career people thinking about orgs and their movement in years?

especially in a job economy where employees are expected to be laid off despite "staggering profits". It feels completely orthogonal to the environment I exist in.

is there room for lifers in big orgs? without getting the boot or worrying about the boot?

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busterarm 40 minutes ago
I'm in a big org and while we had a lot of COVID-related turnover, before and after COVID our average engineer tenure went from ~1.6 years to something like 6-7. I'm at the upper end of my part of the org at 8+ (one at 9, one at 11 one at 13). Only like 3 people in my group are below 6.

I would like to move on but also given the current climate that seems ludicrous.

People I talk to in similar places are in the same boat. Hiring is frozen, there's not enough people to manage everything we have, and everyone remaining is hanging on for dear life.

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