Roku LT Operating System open source distribution
119 points by dpmdpm 17 hours ago | 60 comments

FloatArtifact 13 hours ago
Open source all you want! It doesn't change the fact that they're spying the contents of your screen no matter what input is being used with Automatic Content Recognition (ACR) technology

https://docs.roku.com/published/acrservicepolicy/en/CA

reply
psadauskas 11 minutes ago
My router has a separate network for "appliances" (roku boxes, thermostats, etc) that has a very restrictive firewall that only allows internet access according to a manual allowlist.
reply
riedel 12 hours ago
The original idea of open source or rather free software is to bmactually "own" the code in a way that you can modify it to your needs. Guess this is not the case here, then. But I guess also most of android falls in that category that by now. I guess we should be using better,more attributes when describing open source
reply
miki123211 4 hours ago
There's at least:

source available - whether you can read the code

open source - whether you can run (a modified version of) the code on some piece of hardware you own

open hardware - whether the hardware they sell you lets you run modified versions of their code

open contribution - whether they want your modifications

free software - whether your modifications have to be open source too

If it's at least source available, it can have any combination of these.

reply
JacobKfromIRC 2 hours ago
I think your definition of "free software" is too strict, otherwise public domain software would not be free software
reply
nwah1 3 hours ago
open hardware to me means that you have access to all of the specifications for building the hardware. Things like when the laptop company Framework posts github repos full of CAD models. Or, initiatives like RISC V.

And, alongside that, there's also open firmware.

Unlocked hardware is maybe what I would call hardware that enables swapping out the software. Although, historically, we didn't even need a term for that, because that was the default aside from outliers like Apple.

reply
bogwog 5 hours ago
"Free software" has always been a misleading term, unfortunately. Maybe calling it "Freedom software" instead would be clearer.

But when you conflate free software with open source, you get confused people cheerleading their own abuse. Android is probably the worst offender here. Google Chrome, VSCode are others that come to mind.

reply
functionmouse 4 hours ago
The idea of free software, yes, is to own the code in a way that you can modify it to your needs. The idea of "open source" as a mantra is to confuse and muddle the ideas of free software in order to subvert the ideologists in that camp into supporting and furthering the goals of billionaire corporations. "Open source" as a calling card is intended to kill free software.
reply
paxcoder 12 hours ago
[dead]
reply
thesuitonym 2 hours ago
Actually they don't want to open source it. This is the result of a lawsuit.
reply
gricardo99 12 hours ago

   you can disable this feature by going to Settings > Privacy > Smart TV Experience.
reply
nicman23 12 hours ago
can you ? can you really ?
reply
ornornor 6 hours ago
Samsung does that too and use it to sell you stuff, show you ads, and retarget you across devices! (Not saying it’s a good thing, but rather pointing out how common this is)
reply
mijoharas 6 hours ago
I'm really sick of the enshittification of smart TV's.

A while after I've had my LG TV, and found every arcane different menu you need to remove all the ads. They started sending me ads via the notification pop-up.

This continued even after finding and removing the consent for advertising (that I'd missed in one of the consent pop-ups.)

I've considered and looked into "dumb" TVs, but I don't think they're for me. I just want one that's not enshittified!

reply
rdschouw 3 hours ago
Why not disconnect your smart TV from the internet and use [insert favorite streaming box]?

I use Apple TVs on all my smart TVs and none of them have ever been connected to the internet. No ads with consistent interface across TV brands.

reply
snapplebobapple 2 hours ago
the only good smart tv is one with no network connection. As long as the manufacturer has any control of the compute on your device they will always be pressured to abuse it to grow revenue. You need to budget 200 to 600 additional dollars for a linux box and use that
reply
thesuitonym 2 hours ago
That's still not good. I recently switched from a Sceptre dumb TV to a top of the line LG OLED model, and it is sooooo slow. Everything takes forever because it's got to wait for the network connection which doesn't exist, play all its stupid animations, run the "AI" bullshit, and attempt an internet connection again.
reply
snapplebobapple 3 minutes ago
Then you did it wrong. The tv should be turned on and set to display one port, say hdmi1 then never touched again until its time to shut it off. Volume should be handled through hdmi-cec from the tvs perspective it should get an on or off signal and maybe some volume signals and it should display hdmi and that is the entorety of its existence.
reply
ornornor 5 hours ago
FWIW I’m pretty happy with my Panasonic OLED (2019 model), it has totally optional smart features (ie it has a Netflix app), works well offline, and turns on instantly.
reply
cryo32 5 hours ago
I just don't bother with television full stop.
reply
Geroke 5 hours ago
I can't say I have either since they tried to change the format to cinema from electronic theatre.
reply
surajrmal 5 hours ago
This is not "enshittification". That implies it's gotten worse over time. Smart TVs have been doing this from the beginning.
reply
mijoharas 4 hours ago
I disagree. It's definitely gotten worse, notification ads for my TV for example.

LG also didn't used to have home screen ads, but that's a long time ago now.

reply
antonvs 5 hours ago
Smart TVs are the enshittification of regular TVs. An attempt to extract more money from the customer without providing a useful benefit.
reply
thesuitonym 2 hours ago
Is it really enshittification if it was shit from the beginning?
reply
Geroke 2 hours ago
I disagree. I much preferred it when they didn't pretend that TV should be the same as cinema. Even the mistakes are entertaining whereas on modern TV, they tend to stand out.
reply
blackjack_ 3 hours ago
Yeahhhh I had to disconnect mine from the internet due to this (I don’t want a display ad on the menu screen when I turn on my TV like WTF, my TV just enshittified itself randomly with an update that added this a year or two ago). Which would be fine but you can’t change the TV menu tile layout if you are disconnected from the internet… Just incredible layers of design stupidity here.
reply
jp191919 47 minutes ago
I use pfblockerNG(like pi-hole but for pfsense) to block ads to my roku. And I set up pi-hole at family members houses to block ads and telemetry on theirs.
reply
imglorp 5 hours ago
Is this their dongles, TVs, or both?
reply
thesuitonym 2 hours ago
Both, and the speakerbars. Roku's business model is not selling hardware.
reply
c0balt 16 hours ago
That looks neat, the code appears be mostly in C, seems reasonable documented and is hosted on GitHub: https://github.com/rokudev/lt-sdk
reply
dsign 11 hours ago
I wonder what would make this better (for some use cases at least) than venerable FreeRTOS? Or Zephyr? Or any of the other many, many RTOSes? In particular, the ESP32 comes with top notch documentation and SDKs that will make beginners at least want to stay with Espressif's modified RTOS for a while.
reply
jon-wood 7 hours ago
That's also what I was wondering. What problems is this custom RTOS solving that all the other ones don't, or is it in fact just that some Roku engineers decided they needed some job security and having an OS nobody else uses would be a good path to that?
reply
phantomathkg 15 hours ago
The good thing is, it is not written in Brightscript.
reply
aturek 15 hours ago
Brightscript could have been worse!

And much, much better, as well

reply
phantomathkg 13 hours ago
How could it be better? Brightscript is a proprietary language that serves nothing but a low power STB.
reply
mik3y 3 hours ago

    > How could it be better?
On a purely language basis, I'd start with the things the BrighterScript [1] folks have done to clean up the warts and inconveniences of the language.

Personally I'd rather it not exist. Roku would be more pleasant to develop on had they chosen a more popular, existing language as the basis (e.g. Python). Then the task of developing for the platform ~mostly reduces from "learn a new language and a new framework" to just the latter.

I suppose it hasn't inhibited their success, of course.

    [1] https://github.com/rokucommunity/brighterscript
reply
dubcanada 6 hours ago
On hackers news a technology focused platform where custom weird languages thrive. You're complaining about a company who the original developer made their own language.

Isn't this exactly how all of the other languages where created?

reply
krackers 16 hours ago
>that is already used in our industry-changing Roku remote controls.

Why does a remote control require a RTOS?

reply
topspin 15 hours ago
Roku remotes are sophisticated devices. There are many models, so features vary, but among the possible features are 3.5mm audio output, Bluetooth audio, voice command input, Wi-Fi, infrared, battery charger and other things. Clearly a substantial MCU is present and thus, an RTOS.
reply
NDlurker 14 hours ago
Pretty sure they don't have gyroscopes and accelerometers anymore, but they did early on. It was basically a Wii Mote and I played a ton of Angry Birds on my TV.
reply
phh 10 hours ago
You can do an IR remote without a RTOS, but as soon as you do BLE you realistically need a RTOS. You have timers for keep-alives, connection states, competing interrupts, CPU-"intensive" tasks that can be preempted (for crypto)
reply
SpecialistK 16 hours ago
Voice command handling, I would suspect.
reply
_ZeD_ 12 hours ago
to spy on you
reply
UnreachableCode 4 hours ago
On the topic that will likely pervade this news item: does anyone know the best FOSS TV system
reply
hiccuphippo 4 hours ago
Not sure what exactly you are asking for, but check Jellyfin, it might be part of the answer.
reply
UnreachableCode 4 hours ago
Jellyfin is good. I'm currently using the Roku version
reply
jp191919 50 minutes ago
Jellyfin is great.
reply
latchkey 3 hours ago
I know it isn't FOSS, but I just plug a $500 Mac mini into my LG TV and use it with a wireless backlit keyboard/trackpad combo I got for $35 off the zon. IINA is a fantastic player. I rarely use the tv os.
reply
LoganDark 15 hours ago
I wish they would offer the instruction in text as well rather than only in videos. Videos become stale and can't easily be used as a reference.
reply
LeFantome 12 hours ago
Get an AI to transcribe the videos for you and then ask it to create a manual from the transcription.
reply
LoganDark 4 hours ago
That's actually not the worst idea, thanks.
reply
tecleandor 8 hours ago
I don't know if I'm missing something but from what I can see...

They don't seem to have any written documentation online, not even a list of features. They seem to have some doxygen docs on the repo, but they're not built anywhere. The only information ready to check are YouTube videos. The developer forum link they have in the top right doesn't work (I think since January they killed their forums).

It's a chore just to know what does it do ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

reply
ddtaylor 11 hours ago
Does this meaningfully allow a person to push a modified version to their own TV without using a screwdriver?
reply
jon-wood 7 hours ago
From the front page of the site at least, no. This isn't for the Roku device itself (which is almost certainly running some flavour of Linux), its for peripherals like the remote control which will have much less powerful processors.
reply
jgalt212 16 hours ago
Please someone make a Roku remote with a physical keyboard.
reply
zzrrt 13 hours ago
You can probably do it with a keyboard paired to a server/RPi that emits the keystrokes to the Roku ECP API, if having that second device is acceptable.
reply
dd8601fn 10 hours ago
Rokus have a rest api that accept all the navigation and text inputs you'd do with the remote.
reply
snailmailman 15 hours ago
On my rokus, I am able to use my phone as a remote via the roku app. This includes typing on mobile via my phone's keyboard. Makes logging into things much easier.
reply
criddell 3 hours ago
AppleTV is like that too. It's nice being able to use the password manager on my phone rather than have try to enter some long complicated password a letter at a time.
reply
relyks 15 hours ago
This might be possible now. I think the better option is having a hardware device that acts a bridge between a bluetooth keyboard and the Roku.
reply
pslab 15 hours ago
[flagged]
reply
RomanVoropaev 9 hours ago
[flagged]
reply