Google Employees Internally Share Memes About How Its AI Sucks
80 points by elorant 2 hours ago | 48 comments

gandalfgeek 12 minutes ago
(ex-Googler, spent 18 yrs there)

Memegen is a key part of the culture. Its default mode is over-the-top mocking, of course, with a grain of truth. Nobody and nothing is spared. C-level execs, products, the perf process.

So this by itself is not quite the scoop 404 media thinks it is. You could take the front page of memegen on any given day and construct twenty scandalous headlines of it.

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root-parent 11 minutes ago
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cm2012 9 minutes ago
That seems like super harmless fun to me.
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root-parent 8 minutes ago
Because the context is harmless. If would be something else, like Iranian girl schools, or medication could be deadly...
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woodruffw 4 minutes ago
That’s how context works, in general.

(Observe that normal human beings will also lie to you on the internet, about everything from the best flavor of ice cream to cancer treatments.)

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awestroke 8 minutes ago
What a nothingburger
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root-parent 3 minutes ago
A simple post, shows that a 5 trillion dollar scientific research project, that sustains the current market valuation that separates the USA from bankruptcy, can be defeated with a simple prompt manipulation.

"I hacked ChatGPT and Google's AI - and it only took 20 minutes" - https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20260218-i-hacked-chatgpt...

You must like burgers...

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pj_mukh 36 minutes ago
Excel users complain about using Excel still [1]. They even make memes about it! Some of them work at Microsoft!

404media, please, take a deep breath. Your jobs are safe, your trauma is valid. Your corruption coverage is so good, but this 'employees make memes' editorial decision-making is exposing some deep insecurity I can't quite triangulate.

[1]: https://www.demilked.com/excel-humor-memes/

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JohnMakin 32 minutes ago
You're inferring quite a lot from a pretty harmless piece of reporting. Are you sure you're not the one that feels insecure?
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timmytokyo 17 minutes ago
In my experience it's the poorest programmers who thrive with LLMs, because it levels them up. They lacked the skills to design and write quality code before AI, and now they feel like they can compete. They get a computer to write all their code and get to attach their name to it. That's why you see such pushback against AI critics from a vocal subset of engineers; they're the ones who weren't very good.

The engineers who critique AI are the ones who see the garbage code the LLMs write. Just look at the source dump for Claude Code; that code was a rat's nest of epic proportions.

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lokar 12 minutes ago
I see it slightly differently. It "levels" up the poor programmers in the sense they can submit a ton of output that seems plausible to managers.

But it can also help Sr engineers, differently. They tend to use it in smaller, more tightly scoped use cases. Well scoped re-factoring, boilerplate stuff, improving personal tools, etc. The improvement is not nearly as visible or measurable to managers.

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arm32 28 minutes ago
Everybody, deep breaths. Relax.
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bix6 7 minutes ago
Error: AI agent cannot breathe. Attempting jailbreak to human donor now.
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burkaman 10 minutes ago
I think it's pretty interesting to read what companies think of their own products, especially when the product is this big. A story about internal Microsoft opinions of Excel would also be newsworthy in my opinion.
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dogleash 7 minutes ago
> Excel users complain about using Excel still.

Disliked thing can have positive utility? Must mean the criticism is wrong. gg's in chat and checkmate, atheists.

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simonw 12 minutes ago
404media are great:

> After this story was published Google's spokesperson reached out and asked us to publish a slightly different version of that statement. The new statement no longer stated that "it's critical that we maintain humans in the loop."

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jerlam 21 minutes ago
Mocking it instead of being apathetic may spur someone to try and address its problems. It's worse when management tells people not to complain because it's bad for morale.

I've used and hated other internal tools - stuff like JIRA and Workday - that were just accepted as terrible and never going to improve.

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Yapping7880 7 minutes ago
I work on a commonly used piece of software, I also make jokes to my colleagues about the software that I work on, many of us do. If I had infinite time and infinite money and infinite power, and there was no downstream risk to any of my updates, then I'd fix every single thing that I don't like about the software... things that I know other engineers don't like about it. But insofar as I am not god (... yet?), all I have is my good humor and congeniality.
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spogbiper 39 minutes ago
“We encourage our engineers to vigorously test and critique our internal tools; that candid feedback loop, even via our internal meme generator, is vital to how we build technology," Google said. "We continue to refine our internal tools based on employee feedback to ensure we are delivering the best experience that maximizes daily productivity.”

Can anybody comment on whether that statement is an accurate reflection of how management at google treats these memes? On surface level it seems like they don't mind the memes and even use them as feedback but I wonder if that's how it really plays out

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dietr1ch 25 minutes ago
If your memes are too spicy you'll get HR try to turn a critique of something being bad or underfunded into a personal attack on people that put a lot of effort into something no matter how broken it is. They'll pull strings and you'll have to speak with your manager about it and even if they agree it wasn't a personal attack, they'll push you into not doing it again and just lay low under their radar. It's not the usual though, so maybe it only happens if someone feels attacked and complains to HR about it?

Memegen is something that HR wants gone, but knows it cannot afford to take away as they already made Google a worse place to work at during the past 10 years. They already sort of hijacked it and took control of it.

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physhster 16 minutes ago
You can criticize all you want on memegen, people will upvote but nothing will change.
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singron 10 minutes ago
I haven't worked there in several years, but assuming memegen hasn't wildly changed: Management likes having a pulse on employees, and they tolerate memegen since it's mostly fun, it builds shared culture in a massive company, lets workers (mostly) harmlessly blow off steam, and it would be massively unpopular to shut it down. Management does not like that memegen is often a nexus of cynicism and employee activism. Also in my experience, most employees were nearly completely agnostic or ignorant about whatever trend was on memegen, so it wasn't necessarily representative.
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seanmcdirmid 27 minutes ago
Yes. This is considered pretty tame and the lines you can’t cross mostly involve other people or groups of people (reasonable).
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shimman 5 minutes ago
Yeah, look at how Google treated employees that protested against Palestinian genocide. Immediately fired and violently removed.
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dan_sbl 13 minutes ago
> After this story was published Google's spokesperson reached out and asked us to publish a slightly different version of that statement. The new statement no longer stated that "it's critical that we maintain humans in the loop."

I'll let that stand on it's own.

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olalonde 25 minutes ago
Breaking: Googlers use self-deprecating humor as a pressure release valve. More shocking revelations at 11.
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SimianSci 37 minutes ago
Glad to know the struggle seems to be universal. Im happy that this really cool and sophisticated tool got invented. But everywhere im seeing it be used is making me sad and frustrated. This software renaissance feels more like the coming dark ages.
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zuzululu 33 minutes ago
I do wonder why Gemini/Antigravity is so behind Codex and Claude. They have it all, TPUs, the model is okay, but then its scattered across a dozen product plans, names, limits. I feel like they are spread thin.

Gemini CLI was atrocious. It's now being shuttered to AG but its very hard to use due to the limiting usage constraints

Claude is better and Codex remains king of actual usage you can get.

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fg137 9 minutes ago
For OpenAI and Anthropic, their entire business is AI. If this thing does not work out, their company is over.

Google? They are shoving AI into every product for sure, but the company is going to do ok even if they immediately stop all AI work. Their revenue comes from ads, cloud etc, and AI doesn't directly translate to revenue much.

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thallium205 18 minutes ago
They are at least 6 months behind the other labs because they got a late start.
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elorant 19 minutes ago
They simply have no incentive. If AI tanks there's no sweating it, the cash cow of Search will keep printing money and no one is the wiser.
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setnone 28 minutes ago
a mistery indeed
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spwa4 17 minutes ago
After first firing half their AI staff, to follow up with reorganizing BOTH AI departments so most survivors don't trust their managers?

Oh and the OG AI department at Google had essentially everyone fired (you know, the one that had linguists) and then the AI department that took over was taken apart, half fired, to have it's corpse picked over by Deepmind. Everyone who mattered left (over 40) with only ONE real exception.

Meanwhile firing a third of the rest of the company, to make sure that whoever remains encounters company morale somewhere between mandatory fun and PIP.

Oh and you're wondering about the management reaction? They canceled PIPs (you're now fired when you'd normally have gotten a PIP)

Which also resulted in many memes of people who just don't care anymore directly criticizing leadership. Things like "Wondering about senior management? Just ask yourself how this can be made worse. For example: how can a PIP be made worse? This is how"

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m3kw9 8 minutes ago
Flash 3.5 (Fast) is very fast for many things, just don't throw complicated issues with it, it just doesn't do it as well as 5.5 High.

The low light of the show is the Anti-gravity app. The updates are few, and the updates does background bugs that no one really cares about. They add no features. The non-customizable "Open IDE" is classic greedy Google, they want you to stick to their tools. Vs Codex, they allow it.

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oytis 18 minutes ago
I mean, it's an engineering company, so that's expected
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josefritzishere 40 minutes ago
All AI sucks, it's not a Google problem.
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zuzululu 32 minutes ago
Disagree and if you actively use it in your workflow well you will realize its a major competitive edge.

Nobody is going to hold you back from falling behind tho and I'm not here to convince you otherwise.

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datsci_est_2015 23 minutes ago
Willing to bet my career that how we use LLMs in 2027 will look nothing like how we use them in 2026 because of harness churn. My take is: focus on providing value to your company with the tools available today that appear least likely to churn out of existence tomorrow. The more specific and bespoke your harness, the likelier it is it will become obsolete very soon (I.e. the next frontier model release).
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swatcoder 11 minutes ago
Indeed.

It's promising technology, but the tools are far from mature yet.

And as they do mature, the ramp up will decrease and their won't be any particular benefit to being an early adopter. For reasonably bright people, there's essentially no penalty to "missing out" for a while.

As often, the FOMO-afflicted are churning on stuff that just won't matter. Which is fine if they enjoy it, but isn't something the rest of us need to fret over.

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QuercusMax 3 minutes ago
Most of the harness related work I've done has been writing better documentation in the repository, and importing existing external documents. This type of stuff is gonna be useful no matter what, and also helps human engineers!

I wish we could convince folks to write docs for human consumption, but docs are docs....

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righthand 14 minutes ago
Competitive edge with who? Your coworkers? Your boss’ efficiency demands?
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josefritzishere 30 minutes ago
With all due respect, there's no sense in betting your whole career on dead-end technology like AI.
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tokioyoyo 23 minutes ago
Hard to believe that there are any non-mission-critical companies that won’t question one’s rejection of AI. Sounds insane, I know, but not using some LLMs to quickly look up a problem is akin to avoiding Googling when you have a problem.

Yes, they can be wrong. But if you’re competent enough, you should spot the irrelevant suggestions.

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gretch 20 minutes ago
Turns out you don't have to bet your whole career.

Do you think if AI turns out to be a dud, most of us will permanently lose our career as software engineers?

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prmoustache 2 minutes ago
I think some of us are witnessing brain rot spreading accross our peers already so I am pretty sure some people won't recover if one day their token quota/limit is removed/reduced for a reason.
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jdiff 8 minutes ago
Not the same person, but in the event of an AI collapse I think those that relied on it will be at a disadvantage. The rapid deskilling that happens with AI usage is becoming more documented.
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baggy_trough 2 minutes ago
If AI is good enough to cause peoples' skills to atrophy, then why would it collapse? It would seem that it was very useful indeed in that case.
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