Pre-Modern Armies for Worldbuilders, Part I: Why They Fight
49 points by gostsamo 4 hours ago | 11 comments

vishnugupta 3 hours ago
"I have written this maxim a few different ways, but it is worth writing again: no army can help but recreate its civilian social structures on the battlefield."

Interesting to see Conway's law show up here. Companies tend to ship their org structure in a product.

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asdff 14 minutes ago
Reminds me of the whole "Python is for Brahmins" stuff at Microsoft India office.
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jhbadger 2 hours ago
"it is very hard to square the circle whereby coexisting in alliance with the Klingon Empire as we see it is the right and moral thing for the Federation to do."

You have to understand that the Klingons in TOS were a metaphor for the Soviets/Russians and TNG was reflecting the 1980s/1990s hope that democracy was taking root there and by working with them they would be Westernized.

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RobotToaster 32 minutes ago
It's also stated in enterprise that Klingons do have other castes, the warrior caste is just the most dominant. (Although the caste system doesn't seem strictly hereditary)
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Morromist 2 hours ago
One of my favorite dynamics: Warrior class that really kicks butt, takes control over the state and then slowly becomes obsolete but is so embedded in the social structure that it just sticks around sucking up vast resources for hundreds of years.

I've read the Ottoman Empire had this happen with the Janissaries, but there are lots of other instances of the military becoming a colossal useless but dangerous parasite, even lots of current-day ones.

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jsomedon 12 minutes ago
IIRC, the samurai class after Meiji reform period kinda fall into this category, they eventually emerge into Yakuza.
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RobotToaster 29 minutes ago
Sparta, their entire civilization basically atrophied because of it.
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usrnm 3 minutes ago
Sparta was built on slavery, their obsession with war was necessary to keep their slaves in check and deal with constant uprisings, it was very practical for their way of life.
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vasco 23 minutes ago
See any military junta or dictatorship.
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paradoxyl 2 hours ago
I'm sorry, this is just sententious bloviation. The sources are so thin, there's no reason to go around imputing all these fantastical ideas that somehow benefit your own beliefs. It's just boring and insipid to watch people fall into this trap over and over.
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SJC_Hacker 42 seconds ago
Agreed, the article contained a lot of speculation and not many historical examples. It was more about what the author thought “made sense” than what reality was.

It was also quite long winded. Probably could have been summarized to maybe 3 reasons. Oddly enough I don’t see “money” mentioned, at least not simply, and that should probably be reason #1

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