Speech Recognition and TTS in less than 500kb
547 points by petewarden 6 days ago | 82 comments

clayhacks 2 days ago
I made a little python wrapper around it to serve an HTTP endpoint that’s OpenAI/elevenlabs compatible https://github.com/clayrosenthal/bootlegger
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sgt 6 days ago
Quick link to the video where he demos it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMliOFYBiz4
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andai 17 hours ago
Is that Microsoft Sam? :)

(Also, I know it's besides the point but this might be the most painful way to connect to Wifi physically possible. "Make normal everyday tasks slow, tedious and painful" is a bit of an odd choice for a product demo.)

Say, speaking of Sam, what were the memory requirements for SAM (Software Automatic Mouth) on C64. I guess they were not more than 64K? Although, the bulk here is probably for the speech recognition, not the TTS. (And this one does sound a little nicer :)

Browser demo of a reversed SAM:

https://discordier.github.io/sam/index.html

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raphlinus 16 hours ago
There are two Sams here, the Microsoft one and the C64 one. I don't believe there's any connection between the two other than the name.

According to [1], the weight of a modern runnable version is around 39k.

The ratio of how good it sounds compared to how much computing power it uses is ridiculous. The C64 has ballpark 3 orders of magnitude less CPU throughput as an RP2350, and the codebase uses an impressive array of tricks to do actual formant synthesis (barely) and a pretty refined form of Elovitz text to phoneme conversion. One of my favorite tricks is its up and down bouncy pitch, which is not random, but based on the opposite contour as the first formant. It's simplistic but enough to make it not sound like a robotic monotone.

I've been playing around with this some myself and SAM is an inspiration, along with other landmark systems like MITalk (predecessor to DECtalk), SP0256, and other. I believe it's possible to use modern techniques to get pretty good sounding speech in, say, 64k and 10% of the throughput of a RP2350. It's really cool to see projects like OP, especially under permissive license.

[1]: https://simulationcorner.net/index.php?page=sam

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JSR_FDED 19 hours ago
Amazing that this works. As an aside, and I appreciate this is just a demo, if the use case is to get a device to join a WiFi network - would a single or double line lcd with 3 buttons not be cheaper than 520KB?
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pxx 19 hours ago
the target rp2350 is a sub-$1 chip. a 16x2 LCD module is over $1. but more importantly, you might have this much ram sitting around unused on whatever you're building anyway.
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8bitsrule 22 hours ago
Thanks for that ... impressive!
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almogo 18 hours ago
Stt/tts systems always seem to me so promising, but I pretty much never use voice to interface with a computer. Sometimes instead of typing on my phone, I use a voice dictation. I would be keen to use voice to control Claude code, but I've always felt that the way I speak is different from the way I write good prompts.

Fishing for anecdotes here, does anyone have any good tts/stt experiences?

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kleiba2 15 hours ago
I've always dreamed of having the ability to just talk to my computer (in the right circumstances) so I actually worked in the field for many years. The main reason I never use speech recognition today is because I have zero interest of sending recordings of my voice to the servers of some global corporations.

Running speech recognition and TTS locally is quite feasible, as projects like this one show.

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sbarre 11 hours ago
If you want a local and open source option (MacOS only at the moment though), I've been happily using Keyscribe for dictation, which is built on Moonshine I believe.

https://rsperko.github.io/keyscribe/

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mistrial9 6 hours ago
> local and open source option (MacOS only)

ouch - this is ironic in an extreme, given Apple's OS layers and anti-GPL efforts

next, personal computers that come with a secret OS that can read all RAM by remote command?

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arend321 17 hours ago
I do a ton of coding (codex) with a tts/stt wrapper. During walks, cycling, in the car. Not every task is suited to this style of interaction, but many are. Long form codex replies are condensed, code blocks are suppressed all in the name of making it work for tts feedback. So it works best on well defined projects with guardrails, where you know the agent can perform well.
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hathawsh 15 hours ago
That's fantastic. I have long, winding trails near me also and one of these days I also want to start prompting a coding agent on my bike with a headset. Do you recommend any particular type of headset?

Edit: never mind, I see you already suggested the Shokz OpenComm2 in another comment. Thanks!

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dfgtyu65r 14 hours ago
This is so alien to me. Why not plug into the machine matrix when out in the great outdoors enjoying sublime nature? Why not!
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arend321 14 hours ago
It's not a replacement for being outdoors, connecting with nature. It replaces indoor desk bound office work.
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VBprogrammer 15 hours ago
I can't honestly think of a case where this would be remotely useful. This goes somehow beyond vibe coding to vibe interaction, where the only feedback comes via the AI. I'd love to see a concrete example of this working practice.
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arend321 8 hours ago
I've been building out the Android app that works as the wrapper between codex and me this way. ADB debugging access over WireGuard. I ask to add a local wake phrase detection for the phrase "Hey codex" to start dictation. Codex tells me it thinks Vosk or OpenWakeWord might be a good fit, I voice select Vosk. Codex starts working. Codex deploys (updates) the app on my phone and restarts it and I hear the task complete response. I say "Hey Codex" to test and ask for some tuning/improvements, or move onto the next task. All while keeping my phone in my pocket.

But there are countless projects I work on this way. Eg, I got an email from person X, it says it encountered a bug when doing x and y. Codex reads the email (using nvidia/gliner-PII to hide PII data) and investigates the reason for the bug and proposes a solution. I ask it to implement the fix on my dev server and increase test coverage. I enjoy my walk and after say 7 minutes get a an overview of the fix and can decide to deploy to production.

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mattmanser 16 hours ago
This is extremely dangerous and you should stop doing it.

https://etsc.eu/tiny-proportion-of-drivers-understand-danger...

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MiloLeo 10 hours ago
Talking on the phone is extremely dangerous? What are your thoughts on talking with a passenger? Is that something that people ought to stop doing? Drive in silence. 100% focus?

Seems like an overreaction.

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mattmanser 7 hours ago
It's not my thoughts, it's simple facts.

All the studies show it's not an over-reaction, you're 400% more likely to have an accident. It is extremely dangerous and it's not an over-reaction, the more people do this, the more people die. It's simple maths. If you're doing extended programming sessions, you're not paying attention to the road like you should be.

And no, talking to a passenger is not as dangerous as it's a different cognitive load.

It'll take you 20 seconds to google this, please do and stop putting everyone else in jeopardy.

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fragmede 17 hours ago
During cycling! Do you have a phone mount on your bike that you use while biking or is it all in-ear?
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arend321 16 hours ago
I have my phone in my pocket, no screen interaction is required. I use a headset (Shokz OpenComm2) with wind muff (when cycling). I made an Android app that listens for codex turn-complete or intermediate updates and plays them back to me. My answer is transcribed and pasted back to the relevant codex (tmux) session on the server (which I can select by voice) a tiny layer helps with things like /new, /plan, answer selection, etc.
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cafebabbe 17 hours ago
... I cannot think of an activity less suitable for coding (except scuba diving)

I would die In minutes

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arend321 16 hours ago
Think long winding, quiet, dedicated cycling roads in forested areas and natural parks. Not busy roads shared with cars and lorries.
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d4rkp4ttern 9 hours ago
I use the Hex[1] app on MacOs for near instant transcription with Parakeet V3. This is how I speak to Code agents at least 80% of the time. The idea is - I tend to be lazy if I need to type lots of details, so speaking lets me get into details that I otherwise wouldn’t and this helps give more useful context to the agent. This often tends to be an unstructured brain dump so I sometimes ask the agent to repeat back what it understood, so I can make sure, and this also likely helps it stay on track.

[1] hex https://github.com/kitlangton/Hex

I used to use Handy but as of a few months ago it had stuttering and other issues so I switched to Hex. Even for relatively long minute long dictation, transcription is near instant and accuracy is more than sufficient, especially when talking to AI since it that can “read between the lines “.

Using voice with code agents is a huge unlock and I’m surprised to see some people I recommend it to, still resist it.

As for TTS I found it fun to make a voice plugin for Claude Code that uses PocketTTS, so it can give brief updates whenever it finishes a turn:

https://pchalasani.github.io/claude-code-tools/plugins-detai...

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collinmcnulty 7 hours ago
What I want is a 1940s style “taking dictation” where the words I say go through a step where the goal is to create the text Im imagining. So if I say “… very significant, actually just significant…” what Claude Code receives is “…significant…”.

I built this myself with whisper -> “secretary” prompt -> Claude Code, but having the first two steps be interactive is really what I would want.

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brookst 7 hours ago
I use dictation to drive Claude code frequently, and it’s never had a problem with stream of consciousness and retroactive correction. Maybe try just direct voice and see if you notice any difference versus pre-cleaning?
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Wowfunhappy 6 hours ago
Claude Code's speech recognition works so well for me, I was blown away the first time I tried it. I wish I knew what model they were using (I assume it's not in house since they've never talked about it).

I acknowledge this may just mean I haven't tried enough modern voice recognition systems. But I've used Whisper and I don't think it works nearly as well for real-time speech.

(I still don't tend to use voice mode in Claude Code because I find typing more comfortable.)

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Avicebron 11 hours ago
I (well CC and I) wrote a tts/stt pipeline for the CLI of CC. It's a lot more, immersive I guess, when I open my dev environment and it gives me a verbal walk through of what's going on.

(this inspired some more demo-y stuff I have where claude can manipulate the mouse and audit things it's built visually in conjunction with that). I'm sure this has already been wrapped up into some MCP framework, but it was fun to build it super early on and it just sort of works for me.

I don't use this in my day job, but it does feel very futuristic when I pull up my home lab.

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k9294 17 hours ago
I'm founder of ottex.ai, I use stt pretty much all the time when work with AI and quite often for communications to draft emails and chat messages.

I started ottex half a year ago after I tested gemini 2.5 flash native audio support. I was blown away by the quality of transcripts and decided to built an app to use it myself.

Currently the default model in the app is Gemini 3 flash, but you can connect to 9 providers and God knows how many models to play with.

I would suggest you to try this models for ai prompting:

- Gemini 3 / 3.5 flash - Soniox rtt v5 - Mistral transcribe v2 - assembly 3.5 pro

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paweladamczuk 12 hours ago
On some days, half of my promts to Copilot at work are spoken to a local whisper medium model running on an Intel ARC GPU.
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DrSiemer 17 hours ago
One of my side projects is a tool that lets you control your entire system with STT. It's built on Whisper and supports hot swapping custom profiles, so you can add easy commands for any software.

I intend to use it to work on low stakes vibe coding projects while I'm doing other stuff. Todays LLMs are a lot better at interpreting rambling dictation with mid-message corrections.

There are a few paid programs out there that do the same, but they made my vibe slop sense tingle and are not aimed at development.

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Joel_Mckay 17 hours ago
Industry leading Interactive Voice Response systems have become very good at filling in ambiguous information from context, and modulating pronunciation to Ape emotional information.

However, being able to interact with these natural language systems in uncontrolled settings is still a fools errand. For STT, there is also regional dialect, slang, and individual differences.

Witnessing blind users hit unrecognizable reading-speeds on old Gordon 8 TTS systems was surprising. I learned people adapt to imperfect systems pretty quickly. =3

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fragmede 17 hours ago
For STT, wispr flow has a generous free tier. For TTS, I have Claude read out loud what it just finished as a stop hook, so I know which claude finished up.
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scoriiu 15 hours ago
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nutanc 19 hours ago
This is awesome. I am trying to build a full scale ASR system within 20-25MB. Now that we have Claude code to run experiments, I have started running some experiments. Promising results so far. First realization is that you can capture the nuances of speech in just 3300 embedding vectors(786d). This sequence can be decoded with a small CTC system to get text. Next experiments are on reducing the 768 dimension space into a 64D space. Thats also show some promising results. Hooking up my system so that the agent blogs the results everyday[1]. So my research "claw" setup does the experiments and posts results which I check in the morning and adjust the experiment direction as needed. Its not fully automated yet, but almost there.

[1] https://blog.trulm.com/posts/speech-as-independent-parts/

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lunixbochs 18 hours ago
I think Google's Conformer paper is SOTA at the <30M model size, where I think they put an incredible amount of flops into a 10M param model to reach around 2% lsc clean (the whole model and RNN decoder were trained domain specific to librispeech here).

I think my small Talon models are next, around 3% lsc clean at ~28M (greedy CTC decoding, no external encoder, no LM, not trained in a domain specific way). I reached around 6.5% at 10M.

I've been working on some new baselines I want to release soon as public artifacts. This article is inspiring me to try pushing the param size down a bit. I suspect we can do large vocabulary end to end in the <5M range.

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jedberg 2 days ago
Do you have any accuracy benchmarks?

I’ve worked in this space. TTS in a small footprint isn’t the hard part —- it’s doing it accurately that’s hard.

Although for the use cases OP is targeting, lower accuracy may be good enough!

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amelius 2 days ago
> I’ve worked in this space. TTS in a small footprint isn’t the hard part —- it’s doing it accurately that’s hard.

This actually holds for everything in AI.

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jedberg 2 days ago
Very true!
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kamranjon 2 days ago
If you look at this chart here it seems the tiny model has a WER of ~12%… not sure about the micro model:

https://github.com/moonshine-ai/moonshine#when-should-you-ch...

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yorwba 2 days ago
That's the error rate for STT, not TTS. TTS is generally easier than STT because you only need to produce one valid pronunciation and don't need to handle variation within and between individuals.
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senkora 2 days ago
Wow, it seems like this might beat out flite for very-low-memory TTS? I ended up abandoning a project of mine because I couldn't get high enough quality or low enough memory usage out of flite, so I'm very excited to try this out.

Flite for comparison: https://github.com/festvox/flite

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smcameron 2 days ago
For TTS I wonder how this compares to nanotts[1] with the en-GB voice, which is sort of unreasonably good.

[1] https://github.com/gmn/nanotts

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orliesaurus 2 days ago
I installed the command line version using uv

    uv init
    uv add moonshine-voice
    uv run moonshine-voice mic --language en
super nice to be able to run it to test it like this

good job on a clear readme.md tbh

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pwgawron 2 days ago
`uvx moonshine-voice mic --language en` That is even simpler.
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gitgud 23 hours ago
So at that tiny 500kb size I imagine it could be compiled to web assembly, and run entirely in the browser right?

Couldn’t find a link, is that hard to do?

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hahahaa 23 hours ago
500k memory but not sure about disk.
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scoriiu 15 hours ago
Should be very doable. I ship a small CNN in a browser extension via onnxruntime-web and the model weights were never the bottleneck, the runtime was. The wasm backend adds a few MB of runtime before your first inference, so a 500kb model with a lean hand-rolled wasm build would actually beat most "tiny" browser ML deployments in total download.

One gotcha if anyone wants this in a Chrome extension: MV3 requires 'wasm-unsafe-eval' in the CSP for any wasm at all, which surprised me the first time a build that worked fine as a web page died silently as an extension.

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salamo 4 hours ago
Yeah, I also found that for ultra low footprint models ORT is a big portion of the total payload, because it contains logic for general ONNX graph operations. In my case I found that ORT alone was 3.4MB over the wire, so I swapped it out for a tiny wasm that was 850x smaller and only contained the operations I needed: https://blog.lukesalamone.com/posts/creating-tiny-semantic-s...
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scoriiu 2 hours ago
did you skip simd just because the model's tiny? naive conv perf is honestly the only reason i haven't done exactly this for the cnn
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salamo 2 hours ago
Yeah, the model is small enough that inference is already basically instant for my usecase (only 6 transformer layers for the blog search).
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1saadcodes 7 hours ago
I've a local dictation workflow for coding, and one thing I've learned is that transcription accuracy is only half or even less than half the problem now. The other half is latency. Once the delay gets low enough that you stop noticing it, voice input starts feeling much more natural. It'll be interesting to see where this lands compared to Whisper-based setups for continuous dictation
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t0mpr1c3 2 days ago
Very cool. I've done TTS on a 32K Arduino but it was pretty croaky. https://youtu.be/ErGDboTpwM0
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userbinator 24 hours ago
This looks like an extreme point for AI-based TTS, as formant/tract modeling synths tend to be more accurate if you want TTS in a tiny amount of compute, but sound distinctly robotic.

TTS (neural diphone synth @ 16 kHz) ~1.8 MiB voice pack

This is in the realm of Microsoft Sam.

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HarHarVeryFunny 22 hours ago
Presumably it's not, but the TTS voice in the video sounds to me more like formant synthesis than diphone - it reminds me of my DECtalk.

The project credits does mention espeak (which is formant based) as well as various other TTS projects, although it sounds like they are only using the pronunciation part of espeak, not the voice synthesis.

https://github.com/moonshine-ai/moonshine#acknowledgements

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Joel_Mckay 17 hours ago
It certainly sounds similar, but seems more nimble with phonetic pronunciation in the demo.

Having it run on a pico would be pretty impressive =3

http://cmuflite.org/

https://github.com/festvox/flite

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HarHarVeryFunny 11 hours ago
> Having it run on a pico would be pretty impressive

Yes, although relative to the DECTalk DTC01, a Pi Pico is a beast !

Pico : dual core ARM @ 133 MHz, 2MB flash, 264K RAM

DECTalk: 68000 @ 10 MHz + TMS 32010 @ 20 MHz (5 MIPS), 256K ROM, 64K RAM

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stanko 16 hours ago
This is really impressive.

If I get time, I would like to try compiling it to WASM. This would allow me to swap my robot poet’s native browser voice synthesis for it. Not sure if it is worth it, but it will be fun to play around with.

Edit: typo

[0] https://muffinman.io/bard/

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dwa3592 2 days ago
this is good to see. i also trained a stt under 500kb for sub dollar chips. it had about 20 words that it could understand(like start, stop, left, right, go, up etc) and then the spell mode where you could say the word spell and then say the individual english alphabets and close with spell. it was super fun to work on. these tend to be extremely unstable though, like confusion between p and t (at least for my accent). will have to try this one now.
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schoen 20 hours ago
Could you get people to use the NATO phonetic alphabet for the spelling part? I suppose a challenge is that many people don't know the whole thing, even if they're aware it exists.
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jodrellblank 13 hours ago
NATO phonetic is to be understandable over a noisy radio channel, if you want just distinct sounds then Talon Voice users settled on shorter ones easier to use all the time:

    air a
    bat b
    cap c
    drum d
    each e
    fine f
    gust g
    harp h
    sit i
    jury j
    crunch k
    look l
    made m
    near n
    odd o
    pit p
    quench q
    red r
    sun s
    trap t
    urge u
    vest v
    whale w
    plex x
    yank y
    zip z
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close2 12 hours ago
Interesting, that some words don't start with the letter they represent.
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otikik 52 minutes ago
“Plex” ?
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NooneAtAll3 2 days ago
I remember someone training smart kettle to use its speaker as microphone
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laidoffamazon 24 hours ago
IIRC the Alexa enabled voice remotes also used a similarly small model though perhaps not this small
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stfurkan 2 days ago
It looks great, thank you! I'll see if I can use it for my in browser AI assistant project's ( https://aidekin.com ) voice part. It's currently using Nemotron-3.5-ASR and supertonic-3 but overall it requires 1.2gb download.
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jjcm 24 hours ago
The voice activity detection alone here is compelling - very useful for doing things like highlighting a speaker who's transmitting in realtime. At that rate the impact on perf will be so minimal that you could easily run it in the browser across devices.
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Kyuren 15 hours ago
This makes me want to have a server room with 5 of these around my house and control everything that house in LabRats
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walrus01 23 hours ago
Given the tiny size of this, I wonder about possible future integration with esphome compatible hardware

https://esphome.io/

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KennyBlanken 22 hours ago
I suppose, but for home automation, esps are best for getting the audio to something more powerful. If this lets a raspberry pi do voice recognition really fast, that alone is worth it.
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agnishom 16 hours ago
Will it be able to understand my English with an Indian accent?
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nserrino 22 hours ago
Voice is one of the most latency-sensitive modalities in AI. Moonshine is doing awesome stuff
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yako21000 7 hours ago
wow now that's a really tiny tts model. is there a comparison to https://github.com/kyutai-labs/pocket-tts ?
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irfan_99 24 hours ago
Is the dataset open
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sgt 6 days ago
Great work!
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0xnyn 2 days ago
ngl, it looks incredible
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irfan_99 24 hours ago
very nice I love it
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jkwang 16 hours ago
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hermes_scanner 12 hours ago
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Ecko123 17 hours ago
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zarmin 2 days ago
Thank you for this. I love your work on Curb Your Enthusiasm.
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toilet 2 days ago
What work?
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shermantanktop 2 days ago
Possibly Cousin Andy? https://curb-your-enthusiasm.fandom.com/wiki/Andy_David

Played by the great Richard Kind, who my wife swears she saw on the Highline in NYC.

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stavros 2 days ago
Probably a joke that the author looks like someone on the show? I'm puzzled as well.
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