GNU Hurd News 2026-Q2
86 points by plaguna 4 days ago | 53 comments

MisterTea 2 minutes ago
> 9pfs for the Hurd

From the wiki:

> 9P is perhaps not as robust or as fault tolerant as NFS

How is it not robust? What metric did they use? Fault tolerance is not explained here so I don't know what they mean by this. You can use aan(8) on 9front which runs on each side of the connection and holds it open if the network breaks, then resume on reconnect.

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inigyou 2 hours ago
Cool to finally see some small silly tech stuff here that isn't trying to make money.
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oytis 58 minutes ago
You are calling a Linux (sorry, GNU/Linux) killer small silly stuff?
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brokencode 19 minutes ago
Of course it’s a large and complex project in terms of code, but in terms of industrial impact it’s unlikely to ever amount to much.

Linux just has too much momentum and there are too few real benefits to Hurd.

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maplant 56 minutes ago
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as GNU/Linux, is in fact, just Linux.
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IsTom 8 minutes ago
Are you saying that Hurd will also kill Google/Linux?
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inigyou 38 minutes ago
Yeah GNU hasn't really been involved for a long time. It's Mozilla/Linux in reality. Not to mention the totally GNU-free distributions, like Alpine.
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pessimizer 21 minutes ago
No, what they're referring to as a GNU/Linux is in fact GNU Hurd.
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xaviervn 27 minutes ago
This is not GNU/Linux. GNU Hurd is a totally different kernel.
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bofadeez 2 hours ago
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jnpnj 3 hours ago
It seems Samuel Thibault is still there, sweet.

ps: some slides from earlier this year https://fosdem.org/2026/events/attachments/7FZXHF-updates_on...

full vid here https://fosdem.org/2026/schedule/event/7FZXHF-updates_on_gnu...

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csb6 2 hours ago
Does anyone more familiar with Hurd know how they addressed performance issues encountered by other Mach-based kernels? I remember reading that one of Mach's bottlenecks was validating that each IPC message had proper permissions/access when sending them between processes due to the large number and frequency of messages.
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floxy 2 hours ago
Is that a bottleneck anymore? Maybe something that was appreciable in 1994 isn't a big performance hit in 2026?
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Analemma_ 2 hours ago
Isn't it even worse now? The faster computers get, the more that software-induced bottlenecks hurt.
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doubled112 53 minutes ago
I could see just powering through because modern hardware is fast enough to do so being an option.

Adding 20% to a 10 second operation is a lot longer on a wall clock than adding 20% to a 1 second operation.

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0cf8612b2e1e 43 minutes ago
What even is a 20% delta in performance? Like a five year old difference in hardware design.

If I could get a micro kernel with a better security profile than Linux, that doesn’t sound so bad. I could easily be using a ten year old chip for my day to day browsing and probably wouldn’t notice.

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monocasa 46 minutes ago
If anything, Mach style IPC has gotten worse because of the greater overhead if kernel/user transitions. Spectre really did a number on context switching overhead.
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Manozco 2 hours ago
I'm not a Hurd contributor ( or any OS kernel / library ).

I'm not sure this holds today. One example I can see is related to crypto. We used to have specific hardware for computing cryptography functions but it's now handled directly in standard hardware and the software has not evolved ( but it's been faster and faster to compute checksum functions )

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monocasa 46 minutes ago
I mean, every major arch has crypto specific acceleration instructions.
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glhaynes 2 hours ago
Is there reason to think they've addressed them?
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isityettime 3 hours ago
> I plan to build bootable images and boot the kernel on Apple M1

GuixSD with GNU Hurd would be a really fun way to repurpose an old MBP.

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sirsinsalot 3 hours ago
I hope Hurd has its day. Maybe in 100 years or something.
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this_user 2 hours ago
Instead of rewriting Bun, maybe Anthropic should have thrown some tokens at finishing Hurd.
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officeplant 2 hours ago
We'd have to name it Turd then.
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elevation 33 minutes ago
That'd be GNU/Turd to you!
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achyudh 2 hours ago
Relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/1508/
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EarlKing 2 hours ago
Fun fact: Duke Nukem Forever shipped before GNU Hurd.
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markus_zhang 43 minutes ago
Maybe they are still in the same level of forever. Oh well.
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lynx97 3 hours ago
Hurd will have its day once Linux makes it on the desktop :-)
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adrian_b 2 hours ago
While I upvoted this, as being true for the general population, for me Linux has made it on the desktop (and laptop) much more than 2 decades ago, around 2003, when the remaining problems that had forced me to use dual-booting with Windows had been solved (i.e. when it became possible in Linux to play movies, read DVDs and use TV tuners). When that happened, I wiped out Windows from my computers.

If you have a pro to help you, already for a long time Linux has been fine on the desktop for anyone. My parents, over 80 years old, have used Linux on their PCs for many years, and they did not even know what "Linux" is. That was possible because I installed and configured for them the operating system and all the applications they needed for reading and writing documents, Internet browsing, e-mail, music listening and movie watching etc.

Windows is easy only because it comes preinstalled. I have installed Windows at work on many kinds of computers and during installation I have encountered much more problems impossible to solve for a non-expert than when installing Linux.

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mike_ivanov 36 minutes ago
As a sign in the window of a tiny shop in my quiet suburb says "Laptop and phone repairs - Windows, Linux and MacOS". If that doesn't count, I don't know what else could.
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pjmlp 3 hours ago
Linux has made it to the desktop, packaged inside VMs served by Apple, Microsoft and Google.
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metalliqaz 3 hours ago
That's not really what everyone means.

However the recent success of gaming-related distros such as SteamOS and Bazzite seem to be succeeding where Usability-focused distros such as Mint, Pop!, and Zorin couldn't get deep traction

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inigyou 2 hours ago
This should be a lesson about providing a product versus providing a technology.

Ubuntu is "like Windows but not" which is mostly relevant to people boycotting Windows. Steam Deck is "a gamebox" which people who already like games might want to buy. Bazzite is "a thing that turns your computer into a gamebox." Of course, people don't actually want gameboxes either - they want to play games - but it's a few steps closer.

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pjmlp 2 hours ago
No, but that is what they will ever get from OEMs selling PCs at computer stores used by normies.

Also lets not forget those distros play Windows games, because hardly any studio bothers with native Linux games.

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nemomarx 2 hours ago
They play both, which is much better for adoption anyway? And it's contributed substantial improvements back to wine and other projects.
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pjmlp 32 minutes ago
It is hardly any different that saying gaming on Linux is great because MAME exists.

Game studios will keep buying Windows, using Visual Studio, and let Valve do the needful.

Additionally people keep acting as if Valve and Gabe will be around forever, they won't, none of us will.

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NoImmatureAdHom 3 hours ago
It just...has made it. Plenty of power users just use it as their primary OS. I think official figures under-estimate it because many people daily-driving will spoof user agents of other OSes.

And there's Android.

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pjmlp 2 hours ago
Ah, Android, with a userspace based on Java, Kotlin, C and C++ standard libraries, Android native APIs, without anything related to GNU/Linux, unless it is a rooted device, or one gets to package a full Linux userspace as an APK, which isn't fully compatible due to security enforcement mechanisms.

I would look into those statistics regarding desktop world wide adoption, distribution per OS.

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soperj 58 minutes ago
People using Linux in 1992 would say something similar to people using any of the current flavours of Linux.
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pjmlp 30 minutes ago
No they wouldn't, given that the only reason I got into Linux was the lackluster POSIX support on Windows NT.
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jhbadger 2 hours ago
Anyone who wants it can have Termux which gives you a full Linux experience under Android with GNU tools if you want it, though.
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pjmlp 2 hours ago
No it does not.

It gives a Linux experience within the security sandbox from Android, which is why there are limitations when using it on regular devices, via PlayStore.

Also it requires working around the NDK limitations on available POSIX APIs.

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vkazanov 2 hours ago
Oh come on. :-)

Linux is not userspace. Linux is a kernel, and android is a parallel fork of the kernel. So android is a version of linux but is not GNU/Linux.

Android/Linux, if you will. We dont have to be shy this.

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pjmlp 29 minutes ago
Yeah, exactly because of that, lets not do victory laps for a kernel.

GNU/Linux, the Linux desktop, has zero relevance on Android.

No one, not a single person, buying Android tablets and phones at places like MediaMarkt, cares about GNU/Linux Desktop.

They care about what apps via PlayStore, Samsung, Huawei and Xiomi stores, they can use, just like all normies.

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veqq 3 hours ago
Linux hit 10% desktop usage recently
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pjmlp 2 hours ago
Not really, that was a fluke, still below 10%, although getting closer with 7.53%.

https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide

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vkazanov 2 hours ago
Both numbers are big, no? Especially given the complete dominance of linux in many other settings.
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pjmlp 35 minutes ago
Yeah, if we ignore Windows 70%, and Mac's 20% of desktop share.
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sampo 59 minutes ago
Eric S. Raymond opines that now that Microsoft makes its profits mainly from Azure, some product owner in Microsoft will be allowed to enshittify Windows for collection short-term profit, thus paving way for Linux on the desktop.

https://x.com/esrtweet/status/2084605702203424896

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IsTom 4 minutes ago
Hasn't this been happening for a while now?
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shevy-java 3 hours ago
First there will be the Desktop Linux of the year breakthrough. Evil folks say it will coincide with the end of the world via a total global catastrophy but these people don't understand beauty - such as TempleOS, the most perfect OS of all times.
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shevy-java 3 hours ago
Next year will be the year of GNU Hurd, as well as The Desktop Linux Year and people really using HaikuOS on real hardware for years. You read it here first!
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p0w3n3d 3 hours ago
Wow.
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