Japanese court overturns Red RAW video patent
79 points by anigbrowl 5 hours ago | 12 comments

decimalenough 5 minutes ago
Can somebody give a ELI5 of what "RAW video" actually is? I was always under the impression that it's just a dump of the "raw" uncompressed and uncorrected data coming from the sensors, meaning it's hardware dependent and unstandardized, and Wikipedia seems to agree: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raw_image_format

So what exactly is patentable here? Or is this the bone of contention here?

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dannyw 5 hours ago
Thank god. The actual patent (roughly; I researched it myself, but a few years ago so memory fuzzy) involves compressing frames/video before debayering which makes the streams more easily compressible; instead of after debayering, and as part of a camera (internal RAW). Yeah.
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rasz 3 hours ago
Wasnt the patent pretty much "and then I dump raw sensor data to a JPEG2000 codec"?
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Wistar 3 hours ago
In the past 15 years, I have purchased five Lumix cameras including the new L10 (which I have yet to receive). I like their cameras a lot. The dedication to pursue this battle is another reason I am certain to buy more.
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dagmx 2 hours ago
Unless I’ve missed it; Lumix has nothing to do with this long standing patent battle. Could you elaborate on the supposed relationship?
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tim-- 2 hours ago
Lumix is Panasonic, the people who fought this battle in court.

Don't the Lumix cameras support 4k recording with the Apple ProRES codec? https://www.dpreview.com/news/3429948804/apple-loses-patent-...

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KennyBlanken 2 hours ago
....what? Lumix and Red cameras have almost no market overlap. Only one model series even comes close to Red's cheapest camera.
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dboreham 2 hours ago
I think you have your answer right there.
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wmf 4 hours ago
This is a terrible patent (it's basically a list of features) and unfortunately Red was able to milk it for almost 20 years.
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dabinat 4 hours ago
> One possibility the abolition of the license fees reportedly due to Red from users of Apple’s ProRes RAW codec.

This would be great but I’m not going to hold my breath.

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grokcodec 3 hours ago
I've been waiting for this result for a long time - great news!!
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looksjjhg 3 hours ago
Wow that’s big!
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