CEO fired developers to make room for AI. Developers create open source AI CEO
156 points by GrumpySciGuy 3 hours ago | 95 comments

rdudek 2 minutes ago
I've been slowly developing my hermes agent to do something similar but is very customized towards my needs. I should spin up another agent and give this one a shot and see what it's capable of. This is hilarious.
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bashtoni 32 minutes ago
Based on my observations, the most important characteristics of a CEO is to be over 6ft, and to walk about looking important.

CEO jobs are safe until the humanoid robots have mastered this skill.

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SpaceNoodled 49 seconds ago
Shit, why ain't I a CEO, then?
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Waterluvian 6 minutes ago
You’d think culture and personality fit with a board of directors would be an easier feat for a robot.
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edoceo 2 hours ago
What does a CEO(and other managers) do really?

Sometimes the claim is "set vision" - which AI can extract from the collective.

Someimes the claim is to prioritize the work (with bias), AI can extract that from the collective too, right?

Making resources available to the team? AI.

Coordinating between teams? AI.

Can the AI do this in a more un-biased way? Can it refine collective intelligence and desire into objective goals?

More than a software factory id love to see a manager-factory.

One thing, AI cannot do (yet) is bring the network. Like when you hire folk from Booth or Sloan so you can sell to places that hired Booth and Sloan grads.

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expensive_news 4 minutes ago
At my current job, a 10 person startup, the CEOs job is to generate leads, talk to potential customers, and close deals. He, along with the other founders, shape what we work on based on what he thinks it’s possible for us to sell. He’s essential to the business.

At my previous 50k person company I never talked to anyone within 4 levels of the CEO and thought he was useless. But realistically he probably had a somewhat similar job - talking with the board, talking with politicians, and talking with the CEOs of other companies in the effort to lower costs (tax breaks, partnerships, etc) and generate sales (contracts, partnerships, etc).

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thelastgallon 2 hours ago
> What does a CEO(and other managers) do really?

Be friends with the board. Negotiate high pay and benefits (for themselves), and a golden parachute in case things go south (which they do most often). Take credit for things that were going to happen anyways. Blame xyz for things that didn't work out.

These are all impossible tasks for AI. AI can't play golf.

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conductr 31 minutes ago
It’s going to be funny when the Tesla robots start showing up at tee times because the CEO couldn’t make it. Like a meeting agent taking notes for people who didn’t attend
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jaggederest 2 hours ago
To paraphrase Andy Grove:

> The job of an executive is: to define and enforce culture and values for their whole organization, and to ratify good decisions.

(And that's the whole list! Nowhere do you find set tasks or make decisions)

To me, that means that they're still pretty essential - on both fronts, AI needs values and AI needs a system that can tell whether decisions are good or not.

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bronson 55 minutes ago
> AI needs values and AI needs a system that can tell whether decisions are good or not

Well, so do most CEOs.

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edoceo 38 minutes ago
If the operation is to distill options into a few choices, and then pick the "best" one then, I think hivemind can win there too. Real-time democracy running a business.

For example an open-source project could/would still have a BDFL but, the AI-CEO could do the operational busywork while the BDFL is out talking to humans and presenting at PGCon or some other productive thing.

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vasco 24 minutes ago
> Real-time democracy running a business

This is not a competitive advantage

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DoctorOetker 10 minutes ago
Neither is dictatorship?
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mrheosuper 39 minutes ago
>AI needs a system that can tell whether decisions are good or not.

So they need someone to review AI output huh?

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swader999 10 minutes ago
Marketing and they hire and fire important people. That's about it though, where we should take the product, what features to do next, partnerships, these are pretty obvious to anyone paying attention.
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forestrywat 12 minutes ago
Managers coach and develop people. Helping them grow, nurturing their strengths and connecting them with opportunities that help them achieve more.

At least the good ones do.

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andsoitis 2 hours ago
> Sometimes the claim is "set vision" - which AI can extract from the collective.

To be an effective CEO, you have to make judgement calls that the collective can’t always have wisdom and context on, is confidential, or requires fast decision making during which there are interactive discussions or negotiations!

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sandeepkd 32 minutes ago
This is highly subjective and a gives an impression that every one is doing a very effective job. The reality is much more grey when you account for so many companies that get shut down.

My personal take, somewhere down the line people feel scared of taking responsibility for more than themselves and their family. This limits the ability for most people to take on such ventures. Not everyone falls in the same bucket but a lot of leadership in todays date is about taking the role without responsibility. They happen to be in the role with the help of network affect and somehow that just amplifies.

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andsoitis 7 minutes ago
> This is highly subjective and a gives an impression that every one is doing a very effective job. The reality is much more grey when you account for so many companies that get shut down.

I believe that the average are average.

I don’t believe what I wrote suggests that. I was attempting to be as neutral as possible.

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Freedom2 2 hours ago
Like RTO mandates which were definitely made with wisdom.
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andsoitis 2 hours ago
Not all CEOs did that. Just like all software engineers aren't great or excellent, all CEOs aren't. But to categorically denounce seems rigid.
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nullorempty 2 hours ago
Well, as soon as they start being replaced is there a network to bring.
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stale2002 2 hours ago
> What does a CEO(and other managers) do really?

The answer is to be responsible to the business. The buck stops at the CEO. Therefore, their responsibilities are technically everything in the entire company. And I think many people who have only worked for other people underestimate how valuable that responsibility is.

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rideontime 2 hours ago
Many people observe reality, where the workers end up being the ones held accountable for the CEO's decisions, not the CEO.
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matchbok3 54 minutes ago
Workers are not legally or financially accountable for any of that. That is the whole point of a "job". I think you are confused.
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JDups 40 minutes ago
When the worker loses their jobs over bad executive decisions, they sure feel like they were pretty harshly financially penalized for those decisions.
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NegativeLatency 41 minutes ago
Neither are CEOs in our present society
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rideontime 41 minutes ago
Are you confusing CEOs with founders, shareholders, etc.? Chief Executive Officer is, in fact, a "job."
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sandeepkd 30 minutes ago
I wish that was true some how. In real world unfortunately the buck stops at whoever is easy scape goat, at times it can be a CEO
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inkyoto 2 hours ago
In the current legal framework, AI can't be held accountable, a human being is required.

That is what the CEO is for – to be on the receiving end of beatings and flogging if the business they are at the masthead of effs something up.

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valleyer 2 hours ago
Good point. CEOs of companies are often held personally accountable for corporate malfeasance by "the current legal framework".
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fooker 2 hours ago
I understand your sarcasm but that’s what the limited in LLC is for.

Unbounded liability means nobody starts a business, or they do it under the table without responsibility or taxes.

Turns out we want successful private businesses much more than we want to hold a few nasty CEOs accountable.

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valleyer 2 hours ago
I agree. I just thought it was funny that someone was pointing out the legal unaccountability of an AI in this context.
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inkyoto 37 minutes ago
There is no need for two penny sarcasm.

I deliberately stopped short of invoking golden parachutes and the numerous other escape hatches available at that altitude, as I am perfectly aware they exist. I am equally aware of chief executives who have departed with remarkable agility from organisations they themselves had first steered off the cliff.

My point, however, remains the same: as the letter of the law presently stands, AI can't be made accountable – at least not today.

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vasco 17 minutes ago
The sarcasm was pretty funny so it has some utility, no need to be so serious
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nradov 37 minutes ago
LLCs and other corporate structures only (mostly) protect employees and shareholders from civil judgments. CEOs and other executives are also at risk of criminal penalties for Sarbanes-Oxley (SOX) violations and similar. Actual criminal prosecutions of CEOs have been few, but not zero.

https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/oklahomacity/press-release...

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matheusmoreira 26 minutes ago
Awesome. There's no reason why AI can't replace all these highly paid CEOs along with the rest of us. Looking forward to the Delamain future.
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bigstrat2003 4 minutes ago
Do you think that they will offer the Excelsior package for sale?
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jameslk 2 hours ago
I get it’s a joke, and often a frequent cynical joke made here, but I actually think it’s a good thought experiment. Almost like a new Turing test

The thought experiment, to be clear, is building an artificially intelligent CEO or company founder with the intent of generating profit. If this AI can turn a profit, it has passed this new test

Of course, by the time this new AI starts turning a profit, it will be maximized to the extent that it loses its competitive advantage, and then we’re back to square 1. That is, when everyone uses the same AI, nobody has a competitive advantage over anyone else

My current theory is that because of this, it is not possible to build an AI that generates a profit perpetually. Only temporarily. Then human intervention would be required to adjust things to make the AI competitive again. But at that point, it’s no longer an AI driving the profit, it’s its human tinkerer

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mannanj 51 minutes ago
Doesn't the incentive here, lead to privatizing the AI and possibly releasing a different product to the public - or at least with a delay? (not too unlike how the frontier labs work today).
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jameslk 26 minutes ago
Yes I would think that would be the endgame goal. But in practice, I’m very skeptical a purely AI-driven executor can stay competitive when the market and government supporting it and surrounding it is driven by humans
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binary132 57 minutes ago
You’re presuming here that CEOs cause companies to make profit instead of serving as a scapegoat for their often unavoidable market dynamics (at best).
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jameslk 37 minutes ago
In a 1-person company, who or what generates a profit?
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root_axis 15 minutes ago
One person isn't a company. Legally maybe, but there's no point in a company if you can profitably do all the labor yourself.
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jameslk 2 minutes ago
At what point does a company become a company if one person doesn’t make a company?
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kelseyfrog 54 minutes ago
You're describing the Tendency of the Rate of Profit to Fall[1], which, I'm sorry, is a Marxist idea so it's automatically wrong.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tendency_of_the_rate_of_profit...

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euio757 53 minutes ago
CEO here, thanks just fired all my C suite team,

https://github.com/SenteLabsAI/OpenExecutive/blob/main/packa...

“Walking away costs you the deal. Signing costs you the company. The math is obvious in retrospect; harder in the moment when there's quota pressure”

such valuable, should I say load-bearing insights

Other gem from my new CFO:

“The financial statements are the result. The variance analysis is where the operating insight lives.”

And my new C(3-)PO just told me

“If we removed all sales involvement, what % of revenue would we still get? #5 is the honest PLG test. If the answer is <30%, PLG is supplementary at best. If the answer is >60%, PLG is the actual motion and the rest is overlay.”

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cwillu 34 minutes ago
Searching for PLG, I found: “In short, companies that use PLG models gain another revenue-generating channel: the company’s product itself.” What a world we live in, that a company's products being a revenue-generating channel is an innovation worthy of note!
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firefoxd 7 minutes ago
We've replaced our CEO for the better part of 6 weeks now. He has been on a media tour promoting a product we no longer sell, but it keeps him busy while we continue to grow.

While Proxy AI [0] is not open source, it is free, it is built from pure garage energy, and we are having our summer sale right now. 20% off for HN users.

[0]: https://getproxyai.com/

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thelastgallon 60 minutes ago
The best use of AI is to replace CEOs, C-Suite, politicians and bureaucrats. Let them feel the heat for the first time in their life.

Interested folks can start by putting in shareholder resolutions with the proposal and the prompts that would replace CEO. SKILLs.md?

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fassssst 58 minutes ago
So we work for the AI? AI should work for us.
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kelseyfrog 56 minutes ago
Servant leadership
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SpicyLemonZest 2 minutes ago
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cindyllm 34 minutes ago
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matchbok3 55 minutes ago
Feel the heat? As in, be punished? For what, exactly?
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NegativeLatency 45 minutes ago
Wage theft
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gigatree 40 minutes ago
They’re just doing what they’re told to do by the shareholders. They’re the largest cogs sure, but cogs nonetheless, and they’re replaced just as quickly when they fail to make choices that maximize profit above all else.
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marcus_holmes 44 minutes ago
For being egotistical psychopaths
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yunnpp 2 hours ago
An auditable executive would certainly be a first.
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janalsncm 2 hours ago
To the extent this is tongue in cheek it is funny, but I could imagine if I was building a startup I’d like something like this if it was good.

That said, if you look at what it’s actually doing (read the question carefully, then read what it actually said) I am not convinced this is better than what ChatGPT could do out of the box already.

https://youtu.be/O_g97xxVTMk

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nullorempty 34 minutes ago
Let's also replace politicians and other officials.

AI - might finally "care for miners and not the minors on the island somewhere".

Therefore, AI will not be blackmailed into doing shit.

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alansaber 34 minutes ago
We're all joking around here. But 5 decades down the line, with increasing cognitive offload to AI, is a slow erosion leading to this end state so crazy?
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newsomix9xl 31 minutes ago
Awesome!!!

This is the best project ever.

I have been waiting for this for awhile. Now we can have real layoffs for an AI pivot starting with management :-)

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GrumpySciGuy 3 hours ago
A team of software developers were recently let go so a company could replace them with AI. So they got together and created an Open Source AI CEO to replace the CEO and other executives. Hopefully, turnabout is fair play and this might even get some folks to think twice about using AI to replace people.
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ThrowawayR2 2 hours ago
Corporate officers, including CEOs, have to be "natural persons" (legal jargon for flesh-and-blood humans) either directly by law or indirectly as a practical matter so the attempted turnabout falls flat on its face.

Sun Tzu said to "know your enemy" and those who don't know the basics of how businesses and finance work have no hope of defeating them.

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bee_rider 7 minutes ago
I’d be more interested to see a collection of independent guild, unions, and co-ops that voluntarily coordinate through an AI intermediary.

Because the AI can’t really own things or be held responsible, the idea of a skeuomorphic AI seems quite silly. Keep the ownership in the humans, but plural, and have them in contact with the actual work.

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forgetfreeman 41 minutes ago
Neat. Hire an intern to prompt the "CEO" as needed. Problem solved.
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ThrowawayR2 8 minutes ago
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cwillu 29 minutes ago
If the paperwork says the intern is the CEO, then the intern is the CEO, regardless of how much the intern's agent's github says otherwise.
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VohuMana 2 hours ago
This is hilarious, I feel like we are going to see AI companies add something to the system prompt or terms of service that explicitly forbids having an LLM act as CEO. Honestly though I do hope this gives pause to the C suite when it comes to replacing people with AI
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theodorewiles 55 minutes ago
I think AI CEOs are dumb but AI 'enterprise decision-makers' could be very very interesting.

Imagine how quickly your meetings could get resolved if you had teams submit prompts / contexts, had a clear, documented set of overarching objectives, etc.?

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HomeDeLaPot 22 minutes ago
When will we see the world's first fully autonomous company?
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__MatrixMan__ 18 minutes ago
If you want to see that idea extrapolated to an impressive extent, check out Accelerando by Charles Stross. If Stross was right we're in for a bumpy ride.
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0xbadcafebee 8 minutes ago
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reillyse 20 minutes ago
Everyone seems to be missing the point of the role of the CEO.

The CEO is not some masterful person answering all the questions for the company, I would argue that a CEO should be able to disappear for a year and if they had done their job correctly and assembled a good team the company would do just fine without them.

No the purpose of the CEO is to safeguard the Capital that has been invested in the company. That is all. They make sure it doesn't walk our the door in wages or other wasteful spending. They are the Capital's man on the ground.

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tqi 3 minutes ago
I would argue that many companies would in fact be better off disappearing for a year, rather than constantly thrashing the company to chase the latest trend.

And judging from the ZIRP hiring sprees and tokenmaxxing, CEOs are more often the driving force behind wasteful spending than they are the safeguards against it...

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glouwbug 7 minutes ago
> should be able to disappear for a year

But I do my job properly and get in trouble when I ask for a week off

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bwhiting2356 2 hours ago
Many CEOs are bad and their businesses will either fail or be bailed out. But the work CEOs do is probably some of the last to get automated - higher order strategy, relationship building, managing people.
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nullorempty 2 hours ago
Honestly, this is hilarious!

Please replace CTOs while you are at it and most architects can also be replaced easily!

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respectattentio 47 minutes ago
After firing all, when CEO can fire themselves to be just founders?

This will be epic.

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Animats 2 hours ago
Is this automated CEO any good? Is there a listing from a demo session?
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GrumpySciGuy 2 hours ago
Highly configurable. Looks like it is targeted at any level of management. The key features seems that it can generate its own vision of how to move something forward and that it can be set with degrees of freedom depending on the use case. Video demo here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_g97xxVTMk
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shermantanktop 2 hours ago
The speech model for the voiceover should be named “Max Vocalfry.”
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georgemcbay 2 hours ago
> Is this automated CEO any good?

Most importantly, what is its golf handicap?

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jayroh 55 minutes ago
Peak comment right here
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walrus01 2 hours ago
looks like a good way to run up a really large anthropic token bill.
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arthurcolle 25 minutes ago
what's the backstory here?
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OutOfHere 24 minutes ago
The difference is that the CEO controls the capital and has the ear of the investors, whereas the developers generally don't. It's the investors that control whether the CEO is a bot or not.
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IronWolve 55 minutes ago
Finally a use for Grok Bots!
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cactusplant7374 2 hours ago
What company fired them? I don't see that in the repo but maybe I missed it.
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Brajeshwar 2 hours ago
I’m all for productive people, brilliant engineers. I still get dirty with codes/work all the way down to the newly hired fresh out of college kids, to the production architects that shapes multi-million, if not billions, of P&L. I’m also very lucky to be included in key decision making, planning, negating amongst the boards of C-Suites, Directors, VPs.

A very personal view but many developers/engineers fail to see the overall picture. And yes, I was there and I went through all of the mistakes.

The things you see on the surface of those incompetent CxOs are just the tiny piece of the bigger picture. You cannot replace blames, decision in the face of uncertainty. Almost all decisions that businesses take have nothing to do with the proficiencies of technologies or engineering finesse, or even the best options, but mostly on “incentives” and who can take/own the “blame.”

“AI” replacing developers is evident because that is a rather tiny perspective and kinda easy to do the equation - developer can do that (good, bad, best) and can the AI do it - maybe, perhaps. So, replace.

A C-Suite took a decision to tick the final approval of a billion dollar deal with a service providers (amongst 10s of them). The idea might have sounded idiotic because there were 3 others better at the top than the chosen one. Even if all of the task and options were weighted with AI, but that last human decision is the Blame that the C-Suite took on, by betting his incentives on it (money, fame, pride, ego.)

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sapphicsnail 2 hours ago
> Almost all decisions that businesses take have nothing to do with the proficiencies of technologies or engineering finesse, or even the best options, but mostly on “incentives” and who can take/own the “blame.”

This argument always confuses me because it seems like lower level employees are the ones that get quickly dismissed when things get bad while a lot of C level executives seem to have some sort of compensation even if they fuck up.

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ryandrake 52 minutes ago
I think a lot of this kind of talk treats the C-Suite as special, mystical "visionary" people who Know Things We Can't Know, and by virtue of this otherworldly magical power, are uniquely qualified to do their jobs. Like the average person with basic knowledge of his business and industry can't possibly choose one service provider out of 10 bids, or set business priorities, or drive and enforce culture. We're not talking about wizardry here.

People always dunk on me for saying this outrageous statement, but if you put me in charge of a random Fortune 500 company, I give myself a 50% probability of the company performing better than if its real CEO was in charge, and a 50% probability of it performing worse. I really don't think these guys bring as much to the table as they think they do and as much as the general public seems to think they do. Business success does not come from paranormal insight and abilities.

I think you could randomly nominate CEOs from the set of the general population with, say, a minimum of a college degree, and the randomly nominated CEO's performance would not statistically differ from "qualified" CEOs.

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thelastgallon 36 minutes ago
This is absolutely spot on. CEO/C-Suite/VPs are surrounded by gatekeepers (usually something like the PMO org, program management) who feed them with garbage info. Even if a top level leader is genuinely interested in making things better, they would never know because the gatekeepers firewall any competent person.

The gatekeeping org has the highest density of incompetence. They only hire incompetent because loyalty to the person hired is the most important. Gatekeeping orgs of various leaders protect each other, there is almost never any blame, it is things are good and they are going to get better, announce xyz initiatives/projects.

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pdhborges 2 hours ago
> A very personal view but many developers/engineers fail to see the overall picture. And yes, I was there and I went through all of the mistakes.

What is failling to see the overall picture? I hate this overall picture mysticism. I bet that if people where given the same role and information as the CEO they would be able to see the overall picture.

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cmiles8 45 minutes ago
Honestly the best use of AI at the moment is to replace non-technical middle management layers. Many of those yelling the loudest for “more AI now” are quite ironically holding the jobs best replaced by the current creation of AI.
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matchbok3 58 minutes ago
Number of people who think that a leader or a CEO can be replaced by AI and who themselves have actually risked everything to start a company, be a leader, or do anything similar: exactly 0.
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esseph 43 minutes ago
> Number of people who think that a leader or a CEO can be replaced by AI and who themselves have actually risked everything to start a company, be a leader, or do anything similar: exactly 0.

Prove it.

> be a leader

There are a lot of bad "leaders" out there running Fortune 500s, fwiw.

If you just want a sociopath with faux accountability that's not very difficult, dime a dozen.

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jmyeet 2 hours ago
This has likely been the case as long as jobs have existed. Some CEOs spend their entire time tweeting, apparently.

The way any large company works, and this includes all the big tech companies, is that they end up in a state of constant churn. Every 6 months or so there's a reorganization. There'san old joke that you get an email that your manager's manager's manager's manager now reports to a new manager and you've never heard of any of these people.

The point of that churn is to make sure nobody is ever held responsible for something not working. It's never given enough time. That's by design. Middle (and even senior) management is about empire-building.

Another quote that springs to mind is that the bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy. That's how I feel about management bloat.

Anyone who has paid attention to Intel's downfall in the last decade will have heard stories about how the company descended into fiefdoms and it became impossible to get anything done. That's what happens.

Most people in these organizations aren't particularly talented at anything other than forming social relationships. the leadership of these companies always end up having an adversarial relationship with their workers and try to suppress their wages to increase profits so they can get their stock options and bonuses and the CEOs all sit on each other's boards of directors setting each other's compensation packages. It's a lootocracy.

The point of all this is that the leadership will never decide that they are the problem. Take Meta's Metaverse. It was a $70 billion flop. A lot of people got laid off from that. Were any of those worker bees responsible? Nope. They didn't choose the strategy or probably even what they worked on. It takes a lot for heads to roll within senior leadership and with the vote-stacked share structures of many major tech companies, ousting a CEO is essentially impossible.

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PrimeAli 5 minutes ago
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