Smartphone LED detects hidden cameras with AI
94 points by geox 2 days ago | 29 comments

carlostkd 13 minutes ago
Until someone develops hidden cameras with AI that will be auto turned on couple of hours later after detecting presence at that time a scan was already performed and nothing was found.....
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fidotron 3 hours ago
If this worked with IR, and so non visible, it might be even more useful.

Great idea though.

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askvictor 35 minutes ago
Pining for the days when phones had IR blasters (e.g. galaxy s6); that would work perfectly for this
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molybd3num 18 minutes ago
some more modern phones from xiaomi still have IR blasters
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baking 3 hours ago
But then you would need an IR camera instead of using the phone's camera. An IR camera should be able to find some hidden cameras passively by detecting a heat source.
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hammock 3 hours ago
Can’t phone cameras pick up IR?
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superxpro12 2 hours ago
the raw sensor can, but there's usually an IR blocking filter in the lens assembly.
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TheRealPomax 46 minutes ago
not really, no. It'll happily show you IR (just point it at your remote control with the camera active, and press some buttons. Enjoy the light show on your screen that your eyes don't see).
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ChrisMarshallNY 33 minutes ago
Yes and no. The IR filter is pretty strong. If you have an intense IR source, then it overwhelms the filter, but it would blow out the sensor, without it. The sensor is biased towards IR.

I've converted cameras (DSLRs) to IR, and you use a replacement IR-pass filter. The IR-blocking (default) filter looks like a piece of blue glass. The IR-pass filter looks like a piece of black glass.

NOTE: It's not perfect. The DSLR image processors and calibration systems are calibrated to the IR-blocking filter. Stuff doesn't work the same, once you convert.

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spiorf 23 minutes ago
I did that with a cheap webcam years ago. All my black hoodies were white, and so were the leaves on trees.
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ChrisMarshallNY 18 minutes ago
Yup. IR images are cool. Snowscapes in the summer.

Cheap cameras are best, as they don't have too much precalibrated stuff.

I converted a Nikon D70s, and it still works great.

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HnUser12 2 hours ago
I’d think so. My iPhone can see my remote’s IR.
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ssl-3 57 minutes ago
It sees it poorly. IR is deliberately (though imperfectly) filtered in the optical path.

The dim purpleish glow from a remote that is seen through [many] digital cameras would be quite bright if this IR filter weren't in place.

It doesn't have to be that way, but it usually is that way anyway -- as a design intent.

Cameras used for surveillance, meanwhile, often lack these filters. They're designed with more of a focus on getting any kind of image at all, including when working with infrared illuminators in the absence of visible light. Some even have mechanical elements that move filters out of the optical path for night mode.

This differs tremendously in comparison to a camera that is designed to produce very beautiful visible-light photographs.

(This all conspires to mean that IR is kind of a non-starter for this sort of cell phone camera hack.)

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happyopossum 2 hours ago
That was true years ago, but I haven't been able to use an iPhone camera to pick up an IR signal in a long time. Just tested it to be sure they hadn't reverted to an unfiltered lens (17 pro) and nope, no IR visible.
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ThePowerOfFuet 10 minutes ago
Try the selfie (aka front-facing) camera; often they are not equipped with an IR filter.
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lightedman 3 hours ago
Depends on how cheap you go - most of the cheap ones that take images where the blacks look grey likely do not have an IR filter on them. Most quality phones will use a camera with IR filters on them - blacks look like blacks.
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IshKebab 3 hours ago
Why would that be more useful?
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evilduck 3 hours ago
Perhaps to avoid tipping off the entity recording you by blasting their hidden cameras with bright lights. Granted, the PoC device in the article is not exactly subtly looking, but if you could turn it into a sleek device it would be more useful. Not playing your hand while you're under surveillance lets you control the information they're receiving.

Though the bigger issue with my theory is that while most cell phone and webcam devices have IR filters, many surveillance cameras intentionally do not.

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dylan604 2 hours ago
If you're being surveilled in a way that you don't want to tip the observers is one thing, but if you're in an AirBnB type place, fuck 'em. I'd even be fine with running some lasers in the place that ruins the sensor.
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expedition32 2 hours ago
I'm an adult male so I don't care if someone wants to record my dong but this is very helpful for families with kids.
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rgj 2 hours ago
Unless the hidden camera has IR capabilities.
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brunoborges 3 hours ago
I wonder if it works with smart glasses.
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thesuitonym 3 hours ago
You don't need this to detect smart glasses, they're very obvious.
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stronglikedan 2 hours ago
For now, but there's really no point in detecting them anyway, since there are plenty of truly concealed options for those that really want to be pervs.
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doodlebugging 2 hours ago
Proctologists agree on this one thing that smart glasses can never conceal.
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throwaway81523 2 days ago
Cool, but we need that for microphones.
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poly2it 2 hours ago
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tamimio 3 hours ago
Yeah I don’t think this will be effective, cameras can be put in certain angles that it can see with being seen, or how police do it, entirely behind clothes or similar fabric where it can see through and identify but not seen even if you’re looking straight at it.
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