Startup Anti-Patterns
50 points by rzk 8 hours ago | 17 comments

CM30 29 minutes ago
Seems like a useful list of things to avoid when running a startup, plus situations where it may not always be a bad thing.

Still, got a few thoughts here:

> if you build it, they will come

This feels like the cause for so many news/media bundling services, akin to Blendle. Loads of people seem to have the thought process "no-one pays for journalism, that's because it's too inconvenient to subscribe seperately, let's bundle it all", but far fewer people actually seem to want such a service.

> Chasing Blue Oceans

This feels like the explanation for the Wii U, despite Nintendo obviously not being a startup of any kind. The Wii was a blue ocean product, and the company clearly thought the same logic could apply to its successor too. Find an idea that didn't have much competition (using a portable screen to control what's going on elsewhere), and use that to attract a new market.

Unfortunately, while the concept worked on a handheld device, it didn't really feel good to use on a larger scale, and the ideas designed for it (usually some sort of asymmetric gameplay experience) just didn't have the appeal that more traditional ones did.

> Boiling the Ocean

This seems really common with crowdfunded products, since if their scope isn't unrealistic as hell beforehand (and if it wants the public's attention and money, it usually is), it certainly is once the stretch goals start being added and the creators start promising everything and the kitchen sink.

Also with video games, as shown by Duke Nukem Forever, Beyond Good & Evil 2, etc.

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pdpi 5 minutes ago
> This feels like the explanation for the Wii U, despite Nintendo obviously not being a startup of any kind.

This is a particularly interesting example, because they followed up with the Switch, which is, in some ways, the diametric opposite of the Wii U. Arguably, what happened was that they had the right idea that the hybrid TV/handheld format was the right blue ocean play, but the Wii U failed by being TV first and handheld second, instead of handheld first and TV second. You could probably build a whole business strategy course on just this discussion.

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e10jc 17 minutes ago
Is there an N=1 anti-pattern on the list? I built an enterprise platform on a low 6 figure annual contract for my first customer. It’s looking like there are no other customers who desire the same type of platform.
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pdpi 55 seconds ago
Seems to be anti-pattern #4: If you build it, they will come. Your description is basically a paraphrase of his:

> The founders automatically assumed that if they had the vision and one customer wanted it, many others would

https://www.itamarnovick.com/startup-anti-pattern-4-if-you-b...

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saimiam 50 minutes ago
Such anti patterns are like Nostradamus’s prophecies - you see a company flopping then curve fit a narrative to justify the antipatterns.

How do I, as a founder, know that I am falling into an anti pattern? I don’t believe it is possible to know. You can only “know” in hindsight and that makes these anti patterns useless.

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Joel_Mckay 38 minutes ago
It takes understanding your own impulses and cognitive biases.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases

Most people start a small business for tax reasons, and the few lucky loud clowns claiming hyper-scaling BS is sustainable simply disappear within 5 years.

Best advice, answer the simple question "will random people buy this when no one is looking?"... if you have to explain/sell a product/service more than 5 seconds, than that business model likely isn't sustainable.

I also see a lot of smart folks that think they will get paid for excuses... only lawyers, PR, and politicians are in that business. =3

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exabrial 4 hours ago
"Pretending you are Google" Needs to be on there.

Scalability is not a problem: you have, you will have, you should plan for, you should build for, nor allow anyone to utter the S word. Simplicity is the correct word to use.

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exabrial 4 hours ago
This falls into a broader category of disillusionment: "Pretend problems are the funnnest ones to solve", meaning, when the problem doesn't actually exist, any solution can be leveraged as the "right" one because there is no real world backpressure to test if it's effective.

Software Devs love solving pretend problems, and the state of modern web development reflects this.

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CM30 55 minutes ago
I suspect part of this (at least where software devs are concerned) is resume driven development. It's a lot easier to get hired at a top company if you've worked on similarly difficult problems before, while working with 'boring', simple technology makes your CV look uninteresting to a potential recruiter.

It also gives you a lot more free time if you can persuade your employer to let you use cutting edge technology rather than needing to save it for your side projects after hours.

Plus, given how many startups fail, you do kinda need a backup plan...

So, I suspect a lot of companies are... encouraged to aim for scale and encouraged to tackle problems in the most overcomplicated way possible so that the people working there can take their experience to Alphabet/Meta/Apple/whatever if things go south.

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csallen 54 minutes ago
I don't think that people are attracted to pretend problems for the sake of pretending.

I think it's more that people are attracted to tractable problems. We like to follow certain paths that are well-worn, where the next step is visible and easy to see. And whether those paths lead to a pretend/pointless destination is, surprisingly, irrelevant. They're easier to follow than whacking our way through the brush.

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wredcoll 2 hours ago
> Software Devs love solving pretend problems, and the state of modern web development reflects this.

Are you kidding, have you seen the C programming language?!

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anthonj 2 hours ago
The ridiculous things I was asked to do, and observed other people doing, all because "one day we will gave thousands of clients" while at the same time struggling to push out just a few units.
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Gibbon1 3 hours ago
Up the Organization by Robert Townsend had this gem, not the exact quote but: big companies didn't get big by acting like big companies.
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threethirtytwo 2 hours ago
Python is an anti pattern.

Nodejs + typescript is superior across almost every dimension other than data science and familiarity.

People think it’s apples and oranges but it’s not. Also don’t forget golang too.

If your app is Python in the beginning then you’re pretty much locked in. It’s doable, but you’re going to be dealing with a lot of Python specific warts.

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awithrow 32 minutes ago
Python is a perfectly fine choice for a tech stack. Just because you don't like something doesn't make it an anti-pattern. NodeJs + TypeScript have tons of warts of their own that you have to deal with as well. Every language does.
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q8zd3 6 minutes ago
Any stack has its own warts.
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barapa 34 minutes ago
A startup is not the code
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sergq 4 hours ago
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