Haiku R1/beta6 has been released
92 points by metrofun 3 hours ago | 20 comments

SyneRyder 2 hours ago
Just a heads-up for those trying it out, I've found a couple of regressions in Beta 6 that rendered my Haiku system unbootable, until I remembered about hammering the space key during the boot sequence to get to the safe mode menu.

In my case, my ThinkPad X1 (Yoga 3rd Gen) used to boot despite what appeared to be kernel panics, but typing "continue" at the kernel prompt would skip past them and everything would then work fine. In Beta 6, it now hangs at boot instead with no kernel panic warning. Disabling ACPI in the safe mode options gets me past that, and there's a way to disable ACPI permanently at boot via some configuration files - though obviously that isn't desirable.

It also seems there's been some work on USB Audio (yay!), but it now causes a kernel panic on boot if a Focusrite Scarlett is connected. Turning the Scarlett off avoids the kernel panic. The Scarlett has never officially worked in Haiku, but it at least never used to crash the system. In my case, I've reverted back to the USB Audio Scarlett Haiku driver that Claude Sonnet vibe coded for me, and for me that's working. (I can't contribute that code because of Haiku rules against AI code, but hopefully the humans will eventually find time to hand code it and get it working.)

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LeFantome 32 minutes ago
I think there should maybe be shadow repositories available for Open Source projects where things like your driver could be contributed.

I get why Haiku does not want to deal with it do this is not a criticism. But I have also used AI to port software and create drivers. Others may not have the ability, even with AI. Perhaps I have docs you don’t. And some of it took a reasonable amount of money and time. I am not going to dedicate that to everything I might use if it was available. And in addition to wasting duplicated money and time, we are destroying the earth recreating things others have already done.

I use Chimera Linux and I have thought about starting a repo just for the stuff that I have ported.

I am not sure what the exact answer is but I hope this is something we figure out.

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KerrAvon 17 minutes ago
Haiku should rethink that AI rule. Put very high code quality gates in place, sure, but Haiku in particular is a very low-velocity project and AI could help them so much. There is no reason you can't produce high-quality code with AI conformant to your style guidelines and structural preferences, it just takes a lot more effort than the slop.
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Aldipower 30 minutes ago
Haiku could theoretically fill a niche for music production workflows. Ultra tight MIDI timing and sequencing, low-latency audio and a beautiful desktop. I hope this dream comes true eventually.
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KerrAvon 22 minutes ago
I think it'll need a compelling DAW to make that a reality.
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pmkary 2 hours ago
I'm so happy. Haiku to me, is visually the most beautiful operating system out there. The icons, apps, designs. If there be anything that can ever steal the spotlight from Mac; it would be Haiku. And the OS is perhaps the one and only one that remains a tool in the old sense. All other operating systems are now service and signups and telemetry and notifications; this is the last resort remaining for the rest of us. I only wonder sometimes when it is going to become usable. With LLMs I'm wondering can't they be put to find the stability issues and make the solving faster?
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cosmic_cheese 43 minutes ago
What really sets Haiku (and the preceding BeOS) apart is that it's built for the express purpose of being a desktop operating system. As good as desktop Linux has gotten it still suffers from servers being the chief use case for Linux-based OSes, seen in quirks such as how poorly it handles running out of memory (not as big of a deal in the server world, particularly in the container era; just tweak your setup and reboot your containers). It's not bogged down with corporate IT needs either.

The last time we got an OS that was as purely desktop-end-user-oriented with no competing influences was Classic Mac OS, which had serious technical issues.

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LeFantome 18 minutes ago
The problem is, Linux is improving too quickly for Haiku.

I have been looking forward to running Haiku as a daily driver for years. And it is almost there. It may even be good enough now for many people. Modern browsers really help.

But I was amazed recently when I put Haiku on an old laptop that was already running Linux. I remember Haiku being so lean and fast and multi-tasking so smoothly. But honestly Linux felt faster on this machine. The memory usage was about the same (a real shock to me). And I missed being able to use containers. So, I ended up putting Linux back on.

This bummed me out because I have been a Haiku fan forever and it has never been better. But when I tried to use it, I could not convince myself there was any benefit (other than diversity). And the reason had nothing to do with applications or drivers.

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thataccount 10 minutes ago
I guess this depends on how you see things. Windows was meant to be a desktop OS and crashed all the time. Probably still does, but the wise have abandoned that burning ship.

Linux, however, rarely crashes on a desktop, and when it does, it is usually due to a graphic card driver that doesn't want to work there.

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montroser 2 hours ago
I mean, Linux is still pretty squarely in service of the end user.
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tokai 2 hours ago
>All other operating systems are now service and signups and telemetry and notifications

What are you talking about? That doesn't make any sense.

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andsoitis 2 hours ago
Code blooms, Haiku flies

A new release greets the world

Congrats to the team

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onraglanroad 47 minutes ago
Summer nears its end

And Haiku blooms like heather

New flowers emerge.

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tpoacher 60 minutes ago
I see what you did there.
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LeFantome 28 minutes ago
Lurking eyes perceive

Your clever, veiled slight, well played.

I tip my fedora.

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thataccount 13 minutes ago
I wonder if they got it to run smoothly in Qubes yet?
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penchant 2 hours ago
I wish Haiku all the best. It's always great to see some diversity in the FOSS OS landscape. Hope it finds its niche eventually like the BSDs did after the lawsuit drama.
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gmueckl 46 minutes ago
Hopefully, it won't be a small niche. It would be great if Haiku ends up getting used for meaningful work.
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bebop 2 hours ago
Congratulations to the haiku team!
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calvinmorrison 58 minutes ago
congrats to waddlesplash and team
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