GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard
81 points by Cider9986 3 hours ago | 22 comments

goda90 2 hours ago
I believe this is the planned gallery app. I've already been using it: https://github.com/IacobIonut01/ReFra
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exceptione 2 hours ago

  > RCS isn't an open platform in practice. It isn't even as open as SMS/MMS. It heavily depends on proprietary Google and carrier infrastructure in practice. We can start by replicating Google's approach and then we can work on only using carrier services for carriers where it's actually supported.
What is the point of RCS though? It seems to be strictly inferior to Signal. It seems a Google product meant to serve Google. I wouldn't hate it if GrapheneOS would totally ignore RCS. I fail to see any value in it, but maybe I am lacking information(?)
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HybridStatAnim8 15 minutes ago
The point is to access an e2ee protocol bundled by default on many devices, and is cross-platform.

GrapheneOS does recommend using superior platforms like Signal, but that is 3rd party, and thus has adoptability issues in convincing people to use it. Just because better platforms exist does not mean RCS should be ignored.

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exceptione 2 minutes ago
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fc417fc802 60 minutes ago
The point of the exercise is for Google and Apple to maintain control over the ecosystem.

RCS is technically superior (protocol, transport, security, all of it) but is captured from the start on the technical level by design by the big players. From the perspective of the vast majority of users who have very limited technical awareness, it was silently slipped in as an upgrade at one point or another. This means that those not adopting the proprietary BigTech solution are perceived as being difficult by insisting on using software that's now perceived as outdated or as otherwise mildly incompatible.

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HybridStatAnim8 19 minutes ago
GrapheneOS does not want to adopt RCS for public perception. It is still a better option than SMS/MMS and providing it is beneficial. GrapheneOS will still recommend using better platforms and protocols but RCS being bundled and cross platform are great reasons to implement it.
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george_perez 17 minutes ago
Eh, I don’t think you have to include Apple here. If it were up to them, the iPhone would still have zero RCS support right now. The current implementation of RCS, even in iOS 27 beta, is clunky.

To me, the only they’re trying to maintain control of is AppleOS-to-AppleOS text communication.

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cosmic_cheese 43 minutes ago
RCS was DOA from day one as far as I'm concerned. The carriers being involved in any capacity deeper than providing dumb pipes alone was enough to make it pointless, but no E2E in the base spec makes it extra pointless. They may as well have just extended SMS to be more capable, because that's what they've effectively created.
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HybridStatAnim8 19 minutes ago
The RCS spec has encryption in its documentation. I think the current spec version is 4.0?
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ebb_earl_co 2 hours ago
From [0], it seems that RCS can use the cellular signal instead of LTE or 5G:

> In cases where RCS is able to operate over cellular networks without data, it supports messaging as well as file transfer, enriched calling, and more.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Communication_Services

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kevin_thibedeau 2 hours ago
RCS allows higher resolution pictures than MMS.
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kotaKat 2 hours ago
"RCS isn't an open platform in practice. It isn't even as open as SMS/MMS. It heavily depends on proprietary Google and carrier infrastructure in practice. We can start by replicating Google's approach and then we can work on only using carrier services for carriers where it's actually supported."

Except... what carriers still remain using their own RCS carrier services and haven't been pressured by Google to adopt Jive?

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andrepd 60 minutes ago
There are excellent FOSS gallery apps already, like the Fossify suite. Why not use them I wonder?
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HybridStatAnim8 25 minutes ago
Their license is invalid due to being GPLv3. GPLv3 cannot be included in GrapheneOS as that would necessitate GrapheneOS give up their permissive licensing.

Refra Gallery is licensed as Apache 2.0, which is a permissive license GrapheneOS can bundle in the OS.

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graemep 7 minutes ago
Its not part of the OS so why would it affect the Graphene OS license? Its an app, not a library.
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IshKebab 2 hours ago
Very good idea! Google abandoned these long ago.

I don't really get why so many Americans want RCS to succeed though. Do you guys not remember when carriers charged 10p/text? Why on earth would you want to give any power at all back to those people?

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Dusseldorf 2 hours ago
After getting several family group chats finally converted over to RCS, one day my phone just started absolutely refusing to verify my connection to the RCS servers. Instead of any kind of notification, I was just silently not sending or receiving messages for nearly an entire day. I had to disable RCS on my phone, which created a several day long issue where some chats would just fall back to SMS and others absolutely refused to work, or strange interactions with Apple devices where certain messages would not be displayed. After enough trouble with it I convinced everyone to switch to a third party messaging app. I'll never turn RCS on again, I can't trust that it won't just start silently failing.
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HybridStatAnim8 22 minutes ago
The main benefit of RCS is the fact it is available by default on other platforms like certified android and IOS. 3rd party messaging apps hit adoptability issues. A bundled, cross platform E2EE protocol is a huge step above SMS and MMS.

Many 3rd party platforms are still better though.

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goda90 2 hours ago
It's a bandaid over iMessage's dominance among iOS users.
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NamTaf 58 minutes ago
Text messages in iMessage or SMS are a fairly US-centric relic. That's not to say overseas is better - Europe depends on Whatsapp - but outside the US the whole 'blue box' thing isn't even a thing.
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downrightmike 2 hours ago
The only benefit is sending higher DPI pictures between android and ios
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thinkp26 2 hours ago
I'm happy todays update shipped auto call recording.
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