I advertise malicious software on Google Ads
84 points by xlii 2 hours ago | 39 comments

1970-01-01 38 minutes ago
Google has forgotten the plot. A quick tangent story follows: I attempted to add a Tesla Supercharger as it went live to Google Maps. I was the very first to pay to recharge at the new location. The process went something like this:

1st time: Uploaded 4 photos, local business info, current charger prices, and GPS coordinates. Google replied this would be sent to human review. It was rejected within 6 minutes.

2nd attempt: Uploaded 6 more photos, including shots of local business hours and info, and current prices. Rejected in 6 minutes.

3rd time: One photo of a new charger, no description. Rejected in 6 minutes.

4th time: Appended all above details to local business info. It went live within a minute.

5 days later: Supercharger location was added by ??? and included no info at all and the pinpoint was off by 100m.

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embedding-shape 3 minutes ago
Had similar experience trying to add a restaurant to Google Maps, our own even. First time, rejected because didn't exist, it did. Second time, they say they sent a letter, and they see that someone received it, no one did. We wait a month, they say they sent another letter, we wait another month. Nothing, and now they stopped replying too. Wait another month, suddenly the restauarant magically exists on Google Maps, with the wrong images, wrong address, wrong open times, but the pin is the right place at least, so I guess that's cool. Took another month or two to force through all the corrections too.

This was made 2-3 years ago, probably worse today. Absolutely horrific experience, and they have zero motivation to fix it, because people like us still want to be on Google Maps, especially if you're not in a super good location, so people can actually find you.

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Vinnl 12 minutes ago
FWIW, editing OpenStreetMap is very straightforward*, and with that, you're actually contributing to an open data set that everyone is allowed to use, rather than just propping up Google.

(To be fair, on a laptop - I'm sure Google Maps is more straightforward on a phone. But for someone already prepared to invest this much effort, editing OSM should be well within range. And if you just enjoy contributing to maps, for a phone I can highly recommend https://streetcomplete.app.)

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spwa4 7 minutes ago
Wasn't making street plans from satellite pictures ruled transformative? So if you get an AI to make street plans from Google maps, satellite layer, you're not violating copyright are you?
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Someone1234 18 minutes ago
I've found that if you attach any pictures at all: rejected.

So what I've taken to doing is adding the business without photos (almost always accepted), and then trying to attach the photos later after that goes live (mostly works). But I agree, their process is completely broken, and I doubt they have any incentive to fix it.

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trainingonme 16 minutes ago
Question here then, is when will we see a competitor enter the market who both cares about getting it right and is actually able to compete with google maps
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0xbrayo 7 minutes ago
Apple Maps maybe?
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chrisandchris 24 minutes ago
I tried to remove a not-anoymore-existing company I had a business profile before from Google Maps. I was close to giving up, it's such a complicated process that is fully intransparent.

Kudos for you for trying 4 times.

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nkrisc 3 minutes ago
The lesson here is: don’t do free work for corporations.
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OptionX 43 minutes ago
Google is the worst offender, but a lot of companies are increasingly hiding themselves behind a wall of automated systems to completely neuter users ability to challenge any decision unilaterally taken by the them. The LLM-age has worsen the situation but it started well before it.

At some point it may be necessary to add the requirement for large companies to have a both human contact point and perhaps a requirement for specifics on account terminations and the like, or at least a way to request them, to the letter of the law.

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Toutouxc 20 minutes ago
That’s surprising, because in my opinion Google doesn’t care about malicious anything. The other day I had to look for something on YouTube on my dad’s computer with a disabled ad-blocker. I saw like 30 ads in 15 minutes, every single one of them was a scam, literally not a single non-fraudulent ad. Google is full cartoon villain evil at this point.
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huhtenberg 37 minutes ago
We had that, almost a decade ago.

The cause was that the site was in fact compromised and at a certain URL it hosted a bunch of pages for various legit products that linked to external scam sites. They got in through some PHP hole. Got lucky they didn't do more damage. However as per various Google pages and dashboards no issues were present except being tagged as a malware distribution site.

The remedy was to audit the site, clean it up and then re-submit the appeal. Got the tag cleared in a couple hours.

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de6u99er 4 minutes ago
Google doesn't care. They advertise online betting to kids, because those platforms now have some "free" online games.
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bede 25 minutes ago
FYI https://race-term.com is blocked by NCSC's Protective DNS service using my UK University's connection. Are you sure your domain is not blacklisted somewhere?
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taco_emoji 4 minutes ago
My work web filter is blocking it as well due to "newly registered and observed domains", but I don't think Google should be using that as a heuristic.
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rozab 14 minutes ago
Looking forward to the update where his vibe-coded site has been compromised and is being used as a C&C server
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Snoddas 2 minutes ago
I hope so.

It's hard finding a good Command & Conquer server nowdays

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lorey 26 minutes ago
Had the same issue. In the end, getting pulled into some Google Ads sales funnel and them solving the issue through internal tickets helped. Spent $1000 on useless ads in the process, but have an "unlocked" account now. Really disappointing customer experience.
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throwawayffffas 18 minutes ago
Check if chrome flags your site as malware. If it does, hire a lawyer and sue them for defamation.
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andriamanitra 16 minutes ago
I'm guessing "race term" got automatically flagged because it can be understood as "word or expression that refers to a racial group or to race/ethnicity" i.e. an euphemism for a slur.
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xlii 7 minutes ago
Lol. Haven't thought about that. Now I'll have to ponder shouldn't I add another domain to the mix.
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monegator 15 minutes ago
Ah yes, i got an account suspended on play console due to inactivity. The new help system has been "improved" in the sense that it is directly inside play console, so of course i can't appeal or request to reinstate or transfer the app ids to a new account, because THE CURRENT ACCOUNT IS CLOSED AND I AM ALWAYS REDIRECTED TO A PAGE THAT TELLS THAT THE ACCOUNT IS CLOSED.

So i tried appealing using another console account. After about a week i got the usual automated response stating that my previous report was auto-translated into english (i wrote it in fucking english of course) and some generic babble about what happened.

To which i replied that i have no problem opening a new account using the old email, but i'd want to know beforehand if i'd keep, or how to retain, the package IDs so it's not going to be a fucking painful mess to tell customers to reinstall.

And of course i got the same autogenerated email, with a couple new lines summarizing the first part.

I feel for the author, it is literally impossible to talk to a human there.

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skylurk 12 minutes ago
> You can position and resize terminals freely instead of squeezing everything into a uniform grid

yes please!

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soltanov 2 hours ago
Google treats its customers so blindly. in short, Google is not user centric company at all.
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astrashe2 56 minutes ago
Google treats its customers like a monopolist.
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thisisauserid 56 minutes ago
You should take your ad viewing elsewhere in protest.
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someguyiguess 43 minutes ago
Yep. Straight to the pie hole.
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freediver 49 minutes ago
wave
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faeyanpiraat 50 minutes ago
Neat terminal, I've been building the same thing in my free time but haven't reached a point where it is complete / stable enough for being my daily driver.

Have you (anyone) actually sticked to the way of working this enables, or is this just a gimmick?

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xlii 22 minutes ago
This is my driver since it become usable. I have 140 terminals on 2 workspaces. Grouped by project/task. I know, I'm the author, so I'm biased, but I love working using it.
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customguy 27 minutes ago
I really wonder about these youtube ads for these (non-existing, AI slop) incel games... it's always the same pattern, a man is exploited and/or rejected by a woman who gets everything for free he has taken from him, is spat on and whatnot, then starts his quest to fight the demoness or whatever. Are there any articles about those and the companies behind them?
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kg 36 minutes ago
Behavior like Google's monopolistic behavior here in turn enables other monopolies - if distributing your own software puts you at risk of being arbitrarily banned by advertisers, deranked in search, blocked by virus scanners, etc without recourse, you're going to end up leaning on app stores like Steam, Google Play, etc because they have a shortcut through all the red tape.
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rvz 46 minutes ago
Maybe Google have detectors of some sites that are mostly vibe-coded also being associated with AI slop.

Also why use Google Ads in the first place? Given that HNers and technical users are extremely allergic to that?

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xlii 20 minutes ago
My Show HN failed. Might resubmit some time later, but HN (in general) is a lucky draw. And also I figured that trying to sell a indie software might be a good idea for own business and HN can't help with getting enough potential customers :)
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gen2brain 43 minutes ago
Detectors can clearly identify the exact issues. So, what are those issues here? We know, but we don't want to tell our cash-paying customers.
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bookofjoe 40 minutes ago
Because the proportion of "HNers and technical users" in the general population is vanishingly small.
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dangerlibrary 37 minutes ago
> RACE is a native macOS terminal multiplexer written in Rust.

Pretty sure they are not targeting the general population with this product.

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rvz 36 minutes ago
Except that his product is for technical users as well as HNers here? I won't expect the "general population" that use Google to care about this software.
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throwawayffffas 16 minutes ago
> Maybe Google have detectors of some sites that are mostly vibe-coded also being associated with AI slop.

That is definitely not the case. At least 90% of google results are AI slop now.

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jens_tlb 14 minutes ago
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