Show HN: An e-ink frame that hears birds and draws them as 1800s illustrations
314 points by arnemunthekaas 3 hours ago | 67 comments

nsbk 2 hours ago
Very cool, but IMO not mentioning https://theodore.net/projects/AvianVisitors/ as an inspiration is a very ugly move from the author
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arnemunthekaas 2 hours ago
Duly noted, I'll reference this, as well as other similar projects in the readme. Thanks for the feedback
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nsbk 2 hours ago
Fair! Also, I would love to build this myself as I'm moving out of the city and to the countryside soon.

I'm based off Spain, so I'll be happy to contribute if I find missing Iberian and Mediterranean species, or if some cool feature idea comes up :)

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arnemunthekaas 17 minutes ago
I'm actually currently working on implementing Iberian species, and added some yesterday. There's another user also contributing with some beautiful Spanish birds. Feel free to contribute if you have some cool visitors in your garden!
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MiloLeo 5 minutes ago
This is such a cool project. My mom would absolutely love this if I made it as a gift. This may be a good project.
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joshstrange 27 minutes ago
e-ink is so much fun, especially when combined with ESP32 or BTLE boards. I currently have 4 around my house displaying book quotes that I've highlighted in KOReader and they bring me joy each time I see them. They are simple and do one thing very well.

I just got and setup a BTLE e-ink driver the other day and according to my calculations it will last _years_ on a single charge (2000mAh) even with multiple refreshes per day (crazy compared to the Wifi ones). Year+ lifetime completely changes the calculus for where to put these IMHO.

I'm considering designing a multiple-screen "art" piece to hang on my wall and playing around with various ideas (on both content and design).

LLMs + 3D Printer + e-ink is my new favorite hobby.

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buffet_overflow 10 minutes ago
Years on a wall mounted eink screen sounds super interesting. What are you using for the power delivery/battery side of that setup?
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jiwidi 2 hours ago
Isnt this a fork* of https://x.com/WarnerTeddy/status/2060018688645115964?

https://github.com/Twarner491/AvianVisitors

https://theodore.net/projects/AvianVisitors/

Or maybe im missing to see is the same author? It went viral a few months ago

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wccrawford 2 hours ago
The new one appears to use real art from real humans, instead of AI art that was fixed.

And just because 2 things do the same job doesn't make one a "copy" of the other.

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jiwidi 2 hours ago
My mistake for calling it "copy", should have said fork maybe (?)

They are awful close to still require a reference to the original project imo. They are achieving the same output (identify birds and display them in a frame display all hosted in a raspberry pi) with that twist to how to generate the art.

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arnemunthekaas 2 hours ago
Author here: I'll take any feedback and critisism. I haven't based any of my work on his project, but will consider referencing it as a similar one in the readme, as well as e.g. https://github.com/veteranbv/inky-bird-frame.
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jdiff 2 hours ago
What is "the new one"? The old one used AI, and this one seems to as well.
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arnemunthekaas 2 hours ago
Author here: It doesn't, well at least not art-wise. All sources are attributed in https://github.com/arnegiacomo/fugleramme/blob/main/assets/a... and https://github.com/arnegiacomo/fugleramme/blob/main/assets/a...
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stetrain 33 minutes ago
From the link: "Half the point of this project is showing off some amazing public-domain natural-history illustrations. Over 800 cut-outs covering more than 400 species, every one taken from a real plate and hand-curated for this project (no art is AI-generated, though some has been retouched with AI)."
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carb 2 hours ago
I agree I would expect a reference. Another difference between this an AvianVisitors is the image sources. AvianVisitors is all AI generated with a consistent prompt, but OP's is using chiefly public domain images with retouching by AI as needed.
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jiwidi 2 hours ago
Yeah agree

I understand OP is continuing the work and improving it as he sees fit, but that in my mind is a fork and should aknowledge the initial work that sparked it.

Maybe i'm wrong tho and this is completely parallel work! Waiting for OPs reply

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arnemunthekaas 2 hours ago
Hi, yeah I'm not basing any of my coding or feature-work on that project. My biggest source of inspiration is actually just a paper poster I have hanging on my wall https://www.axelthorenfeldt.com/news/wwf-verdens-naturfonds-.... I wanted to make a version of that, showing the actual birds in my garden.
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delichon 2 hours ago
I accuse you of having good taste.
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martin- 22 minutes ago
A fork implies that it builds upon code from another repository. I wouldn't use the word fork to mean "inspired by". I think it takes away from the effort that the author has put in. Anyone can create a fork of a project with the click of a button.
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bradly 46 minutes ago
Fwiw an eink display is fairly common tech in the birdiverse. I also have a project that is the same thing.
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tencentshill 2 hours ago
This one seems to be more North European focused
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jiwidi 2 hours ago
Its awful close with no attribution or mention of the original project, which should be the minimum i feel like.
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arnemunthekaas 2 hours ago
Original author here. Fair point, this project was one of my inspirations, but I chose to take a different approach. This uses public domain natural history art and builds on top of BirdNET-Go which is a popular way of self-hosting bird-detections. (This is really a BirdNET-Go companion, as it cannot run without).

I've seen other similar projects pop up like https://github.com/veteranbv/inky-bird-frame and https://github.com/adamoberley/HABirdDashboard/tree/HABirdDa..., each with their own spin.

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jiwidi 2 hours ago
That's fair, and I totally get wanting to give it your own spin.

I still think it would be good to acknowledge the original project that sparked the idea, especially now that you've mentioned it was one of the inspirations.

Definitely keep going with yours and evolve it further. That's how good projects grow. But for a healthy open source community, I think we should make a point of crediting the people whose work inspires us. Otherwise, over time, it can discourage people from sharing their projects publicly in the first place.

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arnemunthekaas 56 minutes ago
Thanks, I’ll do that, and ofc link to this beautiful poster I have that actually originally sparked the idea: https://www.axelthorenfeldt.com/news/wwf-verdens-naturfonds-...
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KaiserPro 2 hours ago
true, but we are assuming that the author is aware of the other repo
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_somu_ 6 minutes ago
So cool, I'm going to try building one myself!
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poutrathor 32 minutes ago
My granny is almost deaf and I will test the idea for her, for she loves birds
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pnw 21 minutes ago
Cool project! I set up an e-ink frame with this recently as a gift and it's been so much fun creating themed collections.

https://github.com/defl/hokku_epaper

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Chuckles64 14 minutes ago
What a cool idea. I might have to give this one a try. I've got Raspberry's coming out the wazoo.
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darvo31 31 minutes ago
Love the aesthetic of 1800s illustrations combined with modern tech. Wonder if it ever misidentifies a squirrel.
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reedlaw 32 minutes ago
Frigate, the IP camera security system, also does bird classification: https://docs.frigate.video/configuration/bird_classification...
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lvl256 56 minutes ago
What would be cool is if you can put AI to identify individual birds. They all have different calls/voices, though largely indistinguishable to human ears. And you can name them and see when they come for a visit.
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bt1a 25 minutes ago
Something like fpcalc for soundbytes? Neat
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firmretention 2 hours ago
This is such a cool idea and I want to build one. I wish I had this kind of creativity. I can do the hardware/software side, but great ideas elude me.
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away0g 2 hours ago
are you setting yourself up to record ideas as they happen?
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misetech 2 hours ago
I would like to build something which can do the exact opposite. Sounds from illustrations.
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its_ajseven 17 minutes ago
Cool Project!! I like it
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qarl 48 minutes ago
I love this new era of AI powered creativity. I expect we're just getting started.
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abletonlive 4 minutes ago
incredible creativity and inspiring. thanks for sharing this !
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fnands 2 hours ago
Very cool!

I wish E-ink displays were a bit more affordable. The 13 inch one is £229.50. Does anyone know why they are still so expensive, at least at large sizes?

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pjerem 2 hours ago
You have to distinguish the fake color e-ink that are used in mass consumer products which are actually black&white e-ink plus an LCD layer and are expensive, and the real color e-ink where each micro capsule embeds 3 to 5 different inks of different colors.

The latest are pretty complex devices, very slow to refresh (hence why they are not used in your e-reader) and also very expensive. But the rendering is way much nicer because it’s real ink that is used to render the colors.

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whiskers 2 hours ago
This project will work with a 7.3" display just as well - they are £79.50! https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/inky-impression?variant=5...

Disclaimer: I am the CEO of Pimoroni :-)

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fnands 55 minutes ago
Yeah, the 4 and 7.3" prices are not bad, the jump to 13 is just large. That being said, the cost per area goes down, so it is also probably fair.
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eckelhesten 2 hours ago
Patents and greed in a combination.
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RGS1811 2 hours ago
This is one of the most wonderful uses of AI I've seen in a while.
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telesilla 2 hours ago
I agree. It's such a pity Cats don't recognize images, would make for wonderful CatTV.
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meteyor 2 hours ago
I love this! I have a forest garden with lots of birds. I so want to try this project asap!
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scottndecker 50 minutes ago
Why isn't this a thing on Amazon I can buy?
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practicalsystem 2 hours ago
oh I need to build this for my mom she would love it!
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gigantino 37 minutes ago
Now could you make one for urban noises? (e.g. traffic, trash truck, drunk guys at 3AM etc)
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bix6 46 minutes ago
super stylin’
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bronlund 2 hours ago
Artig! :)
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mungoman2 2 hours ago
Now this is why I come here!

Amazing thing, will replicate.

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arnemunthekaas 3 hours ago
Author here. A mic listens to the sounds in my garden, BirdNET-Go (an open-source BirdNET classifier) detects birds by sound, and the e-ink frame draws a real 1800s natural-history illustration of each one as it hears them. Here’s a live web-demo from my garden in Bergen, Norway: https://fugleramme.arnegiacomo.dev

A few things that might be interesting:

- The screen only redraws when the set of birds changes, and dithers the collage down to six colours for the e-ink display.

- Bigger birds sit toward the centre, scaled by real body mass.

- 800+ cutouts across 400+ species, each cut from a real public domain plate. All art is historic and human-made. Coverage is currently best for the Nordics, Britain and Germany (but other parts of the world are in the works).

- Runs fully local on a Raspberry Pi or your homelab (yes, even the classifier runs great on a RPI)

The e-ink panel is optional and it can run web-only in a container against a BirdNET-Go you already have.

Happy to answer any questions!

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onionisafruit 2 hours ago
If I were to make one of these as a Christmas present for somebody in Texas, and I wanted to contribute work toward good coverage for the area, how big of a time commitment would that be? It sounds like the kind of hobby work I could get into for a few months.
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arnemunthekaas 12 minutes ago
Less than you'd think, because you likely wouldn't need full "Texas coverage", you mostly need the birds that actually show up. BirdNET filters by location, you'll likely need a couple of dozen. Over the summer I've had about 40 visitors where I live.

Right now the coverage of North America is relatively sparse, but the interest has been high and I'm hoping for some contributions.

Edit: For North America the most obvious source is Audubon's Birds of America, which is public domain and should provide a lot of coverage. This collection includes some beautiful plates.

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smeej 2 hours ago
Do you have your image source available somewhere? I'm not going to build this same thing, but I'd love to add some prints of birds to my shelves and, not knowing much about birds, it would help to have a set of pictures I could look through and go, "Ooh! This one!" and learn about them. It'd be a good jumping on point!
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arnemunthekaas 2 hours ago
Yeah, all art i attributed an linked in https://github.com/arnegiacomo/fugleramme/tree/main/assets/a.... Check the manifest for exact sources
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artexety 2 hours ago
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thegpot 33 minutes ago
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clawforger_mthx 2 hours ago
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gabzofar 32 minutes ago
That's a blatant copy of https://theodore.net/projects/AvianVisitors/, please.
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dmitrij 45 minutes ago
We could also leave fake images aside, go outside and try to watch the birds ourselves. Maybe even let the camera inside, just looking with our own eyes. Real nature. No intermediate.
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RobinL 40 minutes ago
> Half the point of this project is showing off some amazing public-domain natural-history illustrations. Over 800 cut-outs covering more than 400 species, every one taken from a real plate and hand-curated for this project (no art is AI-generated, though some has been retouched with AI).
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stetrain 32 minutes ago
You can in fact both have an interesting bird-based art display in your home and also go outside and watch birds yourself. Neither precludes the other.
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stronglikedan 14 minutes ago
Or both. Why limit yourself?
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zabriel_goss 25 minutes ago
An app like this would be used as augmentation rather than simulation.
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world2vec 42 minutes ago
I do recommend a decent pair of binoculars and the Merlin Bird ID app.
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