Waymo in Singapore
79 points by ramanan 3 hours ago | 53 comments

petterroea 11 minutes ago
Waymo are working towards Tokyo as well. I'm worried. Living in here, I've noticed that the taxi industry acts as an unintentional social support system. Many taxi drivers are in-between jobs or stages in life, or simply didn't fit in to the corporate life. It doesn't pay well, but it's a decent job all things considered.

I worry the death of the taxi industry means even less avenues for these people to escape to.

Of course the argument here is "well Japan should fix the corporate situation" but the current prime minister seems to be hellbent on the opposite. I think this will suck for a lot of people.

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shell0x 2 hours ago
A basic commuter car costs over S180,000( US135,000) due to a compulsory 10-year quota license (COE/certificate of entitlement) that alone costs S$100,000+, plus registration taxes scaling up to 320% of the car's base value. Total running costs (tolls, parking, road tax) easily add S1,000–S2,000+ per month.

Singapore is so small though and cabs are cheap and I never needed a car. I can see why Waymo will be very attractive.

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vachina 2 hours ago
If you never needed a car in Singapore then why is the COE so expensive? COE price is determined from a bidding process.
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red369 50 minutes ago
~$100,000 every 10 years is expensive, but I think even in a lot of countries with good public transport, there would be a large number of people who would consider paying $1,000 a month to be able to have a car if that was the only way to have one. It seems to me as though a lot families share a car quite widely too.

Even in countries without an expensive on-road tax, people do often choose to pay more than $10,000 a year in depreciation cost, rather than the option of buying a car that has already gone through the early, rapid depreciation. People also choose to get a car loan, again increasing the cost. I'm fairly uninformed whether the interest on those is significant.

Of course, the COE is in addition to depreciation and maintenance, and those are both also expensive in Singapore. Plus people buy the cars through loans. And, excluding everything I've said above, the cars themselves are very expensive to buy!

As an example, a 2.0L e:HEV Honda Civic is US$195,000 including the COE, so approximately US$90,000 without it. Looking on the US Honda site, it looks like the same car is under US$33,000. There must some on-road taxes in the US, and difference in specs, but that's a big difference in price, in addition to the ~$100,000 COE.

Even knowing they're expensive, there's something I still can't get over, seeing a 6-figure price across the windscreen of a base model (and knowing you don't get to take off any zeros when doing a currency conversion to what you're used to).

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shell0x 45 minutes ago
https://www.iras.gov.sg/taxes/individual-income-tax/basics-o...

If you're well paid expat, it might not be the worst as well. You save so much on income tax in Singapore, but consumption is expensive.

I'm sure for many Singapore still comes out ahead cost wise.

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shell0x 2 hours ago
I said I never needed a car there :) I can get anywhere by cab in like < 30 mins so I never saw the need to have one. However there are plenty of ultra rich people living there and also many driving luxury cars. It's also a status symbol there(Credit card/Condo/Car).
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fhe 2 hours ago
despite the convenience of a well-run public transport system and uber-like services, the ease and freedom of owning your own transport is still hard to beat, and evidently worth the ~75k dollar COE. it removes the walk from bus/subway stations under the tropical/sun, humidity; and the wait (typically 5-10min) of waiting for your uber/taxi driver to showup and enduring the uber car smell (often heavily scented for some reason and triggers my allergic reaction) and someone else's music. and once you have children a car is almost a must.
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thomasjoulin 2 hours ago
in addition to all the other responses, owning a car in Singapore is also a status symbol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Cs_of_Singapore
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shalmanese 2 hours ago
A lot of people get a car when they have kids as taking grab with a car seat can be unwieldy. Also, COE wasn’t always $100K, many people are still on legacy COE when it was $30-$50K
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normie3000 26 minutes ago
Are car seats mandatory for children in taxis in Singapore?
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immawizard 3 minutes ago
Only for the children you want to keep after car crash.
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shell0x 51 minutes ago
That's a good call-out actually. I haven't thought of people with kids.
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zhivota 26 minutes ago
One note, taxis are exempt from car seat laws and you can book them on demand via grab or the taxi company apps. That's what we did, it's a slight risk but so is life.
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red369 10 minutes ago
Are taxis exempt, but car-sharing like Grab not exempt? I have seen Grab drivers turn down taking a child without a car seat a few times.
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jimmydef 2 hours ago
The utility of a car in singapore is very different from other places. Yes, a car will get you faster from point A to point B in singapore when compared to public transport. But you can get a private hire car or a taxi which is just as fast and is probably much more convenient.

For many people in Singapore, a car's real utility is to signal status. More often than not, this status gets you real-life benefits. Such as increased dating success.

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jnaina 6 minutes ago
For Singapore's boomers, success once meant the 5 Cs: cash, car, credit card, condominium and country club. For today's young Singaporeans, these no longer define success.
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fhe 2 hours ago
interestingly enough though, car ownership, and even having a driver's license is increasingly less common among the young.
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jimmydef 2 hours ago
Yes, because when adjusted to car ownership costs, the young have a lower purchasing power when compared to the older generation at the same age back then.
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itemize123 2 hours ago
it's easy to want one
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merek 2 hours ago
> cabs are cheap

Everyone says that but I've had the opposite experience, possibly due to my location (near Orchard Rd). Can easily pay $15 to essentially go around the corner.

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ExoticPearTree 3 minutes ago
Well, to be petty, people living in Orchard Rd. don’t care about 15 dollars (be it US or SG).
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Shank 45 minutes ago
> Can easily pay $15 to essentially go around the corner.

Would it not be better to simply walk if the distance is essentially around the corner?

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adt 24 minutes ago
Ever tried walking around the corner when it's 35C (95F) and 90% humidity?
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mathisfun123 9 minutes ago
Yes? All the time in South Florida.
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VanillaCafe 29 minutes ago
It's called a lower bound.
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jesterson 44 minutes ago
How much do you pay for around the corner ride in any comparable large metropolis?
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tgrowazay 24 minutes ago
Just checked Uber in Los Angeles - it costs $6.95 to go around the corner.
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jnaina 21 minutes ago
Cars are extremely expensive in Singapore, and driving here is becoming increasingly frustrating, what with constant road congestions, seemingly endless roadworks, and inconsiderate drivers, some of whom appear never to have heard of turn signals.

Seriously considering selling our family’s 3 petrol cars and replacing them with a small EV (byd racco, if it ever comes to Singapore) only for grocery runs, especially if Waymo becomes a reality here. I’m not a fan of the inconsistent experience offered by Singapore’s private-hire operators, such as Grab, where poorly maintained vehicles and questionable driving standards are not uncommon.

I also hope Waymo eventually uses the China made Zeekr Ojai in Singapore rather than the Jaguar I-Pace.

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ozgrakkurt 18 minutes ago
Isn't public transport good enough?
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jnaina 15 minutes ago
Unfortunately the nearest MRT station is at least a 30 mins walk from where we live.
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rottencupcakes 2 hours ago
Singapore has the potential to be the first country to eliminate the private ownership of vehicles.
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tristanj 2 hours ago
Singapore will not be the first. Albania banned private vehicle ownership for over 40 years until 1991.
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nmfisher 54 minutes ago
Bet you they won't, because many (most?) Singaporeans think that owning a car is somehow a life achievement.
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zergrush 38 minutes ago
Why is this something to be celebrated? Private ownership of land, property too ?
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elil17 16 minutes ago
Because privately owned vehicles kill literally one million people every year.
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jesterson 42 minutes ago
They already effectively done that with COE. You essentially own piece of metal, which is only roadworthy if you pay $$$
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evbogue 2 hours ago
Singapore would do better banning cars altogether.
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throwaway473825 60 minutes ago
Isn't it better to allow a few luxury cars that are taxed to oblivion? As long as there aren't too many cars, the city can be pleasant, and it's a nice source of revenue.
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Gigachad 29 minutes ago
What I have heard of the situation is car infrastructure is disproportionally funded because it's used by the rich and influential. It's a drain on public resources when more is spent building huge highways everywhere that the average person can't afford to use.
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zhivota 23 minutes ago
While this is true, it's not as bad as somewhere like the US. Public transit gets a lot of funding there, I think they open something like 10 new MRT stations a year on average in recent years, and buses typically come every 2-8 minutes so you never have to wait long.
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orsenthil 2 hours ago
Singapore is a controlled economy, and has a large workforce for Taxi Drivers and part-time drivers through Grab. I am not sure how the entrenchment of robotaxis like Waymo (and future tesla) is going to play with the general population. My guess, they will co-exist as the government wont jeopardize the living of the taxi-driver-complaining uncles.

Also, I notice a lot new SF based AI companies have started establishing their offices in Singapore too. Sierra, and Fireworks coming to my mind. As government plays a huge part in Singapore, I guess, government noticing these as necessary investments for the future of Singapore.

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dyllon 39 minutes ago
> My guess, they will co-exist as the government wont jeopardize the living of the taxi-driver-complaining uncles.

It’s been mentioned: https://www.mot.gov.sg/news-resources/newsroom/-more-options...

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zhivota 21 minutes ago
Singapore will do what they always do, which is take a measured approach and control every aspect of the roll out. If they're allowing this, it's because they've already modeled a shortfall in taxi drivers in the future, and they'll keep the number of licenses for each type in balance to meet their goals.
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pydry 4 minutes ago
Judging by the depressing number of elderly selling tissues in food courts to get by I dont think the government ever really cared about eliminating service jobs.

It's enough for them that those people have somewhere basic to live and basic medical care so their stats dont look too bad.

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yellow_lead 2 hours ago
> Singapore is a controlled economy

Singapore is a mixed economy [1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Singapore

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aurareturn 17 minutes ago
Been seeing Waymo test cars in Tokyo.
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cranky908canuck 3 hours ago
Must be early in the process, most if not all the photos and graphics where the driving side is visible show North American side driving.
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goatsi 2 hours ago
They are apparently up to two years out from carrying passengers

"Waymo said it will introduce its fully autonomous, all-electric ride-hailing service in Singapore via the Waymo app by 2028.

An initial fleet of all-electric Jaguar I-PACE vehicles is expected to arrive in the coming months, it said.

Mapping and validation activities are scheduled for 2027, with trained autonomous specialists conducting initial manual driving to adapt the Waymo Driver to local road geometry, monsoon weather patterns, and more. "

https://mothership.sg/2026/09/waymo-self-driving-cars-singap...

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ulfw 52 minutes ago
Is that super old i-Pace even still in production?
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jeffbee 42 minutes ago
No, but production ceased pretty recently and Waymo still has an inventory of them with zero miles.
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vineyardmike 2 hours ago
What do you mean? There’s very few images of a car driving, but the roads seem to be correct. Some of the images are definitely generic marketing copy and not Singapore specific, but it seems fairly obvious which ones.

Unless you mean the steering wheel is on the wrong side, but that seems like it wouldn’t matter for an autonomous vehicle.

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vachina 2 hours ago
This thing is DOA if it only does predetermined route, which I think is what's going to happen.
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danpalmer 2 hours ago
Why do you think that? Waymo hasn't done that anywhere else.
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