Grok 4.7
169 points by meetpateltech 2 hours ago | 106 comments

moojacob 2 hours ago
Apparently Grok 4.7 has 40% more weights than Grok 4.6, but the price ($6 output token, $2 input) is the same.

Given that the decrease in their margin and the fact they delayed the release of Grok 4.7 almost two weeks past the original date, XAI must not have been happy with the results for 4.7. And XAI also waited the day before Opus 5.5 is rumored to launch. I imagine Opus 5.5 will blow Grok 4.7 out of the water benchmark wise.

However, I have become skeptical of benchmarks. Grok 4.5 solved some issues setting up a buildroot system that Fable 5 couldn't do. I find the post cursor groks are phenomenal at frontend web development, though Claude is much better at backend ruby.

My favorite part of the new Groks has been how they speak in plain english. I simply cannot stand Claudish. Or even GPT, which doesn't have Claude's ticks but definitely likes to handwave explaining technical concepts. Still, nothing beats Claude 3.5 and 4 with explaining since it seems all models have regressed. I wonder if Grok 4.7 will also regress with English because of all the RL.

reply
Lucasoato 29 minutes ago
> I simply cannot stand Claudish

I totally agree, it’s like that as models become more intelligent, they are less understandable by most of people... but aren’t we humans doing the same?

reply
TomGarden 9 minutes ago
Agreed. The more knowledge you amass on a subject, the more important it becomes to be extremely specific and nuanced - or your communications end up being incorrect. You become better at expressing your thoughts, but harder to understand.

The weird thing is, that's not what AI models seem to be doing. The prose is just weird.

reply
unshavedyak 35 seconds ago
> You become better at expressing your thoughts, but harder to understand.

This happens most though when the speaker doesn't (or care to) understand their audience.

Eg i find effective communication requires expertise in both the subject matter domain but also the reference of the listener. Eg in ELI5 framing, if you don't know what information 5yr olds are expected to know you'll do a poor job at an ELI5.

With that said it often feels like Claude does poorly at both framing the response relative to what it "thinks" the listener knows, but also the prose is... sideways, just weird as you said.

reply
samuelknight 16 minutes ago
That's half true. A very smart model should be able make good explanations, which include simple understandable prose. That can should be possible even as its thought process gets more alien.
reply
Aperocky 26 minutes ago
The best ideas are usually the simplest to elaborate. If someone comes up with a convoluted scheme that are hard to understand or be adequately explained, it's usually fraud.

When claude speak in convoluted mess, they are often going off on tangents in real work that you asked it to do, too.

reply
fragmede 17 minutes ago
That believes that the world can be simplified into dichotomies, or at least, simplified. Sometimes problems are complex, and the solutions to them necessarily so. For example, cancer. I order to begin to understand that problem, you have to understand the utter complex scheme it has devised in order to exist. A 20 minute YouTube video isn't going to be able to begin to cover the basics of the subject, although there are some good ones, with clever analogies.

Just because something is difficult to understand doesn't mean it's fraud, although if someone is trying to dazzle you with clever words and names of institutions you recognize because they are selling you something, there's a good chance they're lying to you in order to get some money from you.

reply
superjan 8 minutes ago
[delayed]
reply
grababner 21 minutes ago
If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough
reply
michaelmrose 13 minutes ago
[dead]
reply
jasonjmcghee 56 minutes ago
For what it's worth - over the last few years or whatever, it seems like Anthropic benchmaxxes the least.

That being said, I currently prefer Sol / Astra to Opus / Fable as I find both to be a better cost payoff to me.

reply
vessenes 32 minutes ago
I was going to say the reverse - claude has been the less satisfying normalized by benchmark for me in the last year. Both astra and fable have their quirks, but I am 90% codex this year up from 10% last year.
reply
WarmWash 11 minutes ago
Perhaps you haven't had the chance to use it, but 3.8 flash is the best model for talking too. Even routing Claudes output through 3.8 to have it explain whats going on is a breath of fresh air
reply
AustinDev 9 minutes ago
gemini 3.8 flash?
reply
dumberquestions 48 minutes ago
Token price doesn't tell you much without knowing token efficiency.
reply
user43928 29 minutes ago
Their leading benchmark with cost per task shows a tough sell compared to Fable 5.1 Low and doesn't reach the performance of Fable 5.1 Medium.

How representative that is of real world usage, I don't know.

In their benchmark GPT 5.6 Sol performs suspiciously poorly compared to the former models.

reply
xmorse 10 minutes ago
it's definitely not bigger. smaller if anything looking at how much faster it is
reply
atniomn 28 minutes ago
I expect the next Anthropic release to finally reduce the prevalence of Claudish
reply
moojacob 21 minutes ago
If they fix Claudish, they've earned me back as a max customer!

Fable 5.1 is not there quite there yet.

They need to get that Sonnet 3.5 magic back.

reply
rfgplk 10 minutes ago
Same. The issue with Anthropics models is that (speaking regarding code generation) they REFUSE any kind of comment override instructions. I've tried everything and no matter what, after a few turns, they resort to generating the same overtly verbose junk. Bun's codebase is littered with them See

   // `HANDLE` is an opaque kernel handle (kernel32 validates and returns 0/FALSE
   // on a non-console handle); every out-param is `&mut T` to a `#[repr(C)]` POD,
   // ABI-identical to the Win32 `LP*` pointer (thin non-null). The reference type
   // encodes the only pointer-validity precondition, so `safe fn` discharges the
   // link-time proof. (`bun_windows_sys::kernel32` declares these with `*mut`;
   // redeclared locally so the legacy-conhost cursor path below is plain calls.)
or

   // Progress's terminal handle is the canonical `output::File` (vtable-backed
   // stderr/File from `OutputSinkVTable`). The duplicate `ProgressTerminalVTable`
   // from B-0 round 1 is removed; tty/ansi/winsize route through    the new
   // `OutputSinkVTable` slots so `bun_core` stays T0 (no `bun_sys` dep).
from src/bun_core/Progress.rs
reply
sscaryterry 21 minutes ago
Based on?
reply
7734128 4 minutes ago
It's pretty much the biggest complaint of Claude compared to its competitors, so they really should adress it .
reply
fatata123 35 seconds ago
[dead]
reply
vessenes 34 minutes ago
Nice to see this release cadence increasing and some continued improvement in quality. I am guessing these models are basically still outcomes of the cursor team integrating with the massive amount of compute they now own: I’d imagine we will see significant step up improvements with grok 5 later this year as the team gets more experienced and confident with larger training deployments. Here’s hoping for another competitive frontier model!
reply
maz1b 28 minutes ago
Either way, the fact that xAI or SpaceXAI or whatever the name is, I can commend the team behind it on their rapid ascent and progress by being close and or on the frontier in several respects.
reply
avazhi 5 minutes ago
Your comment is like 6 months to a year late.

There for awhile it seemed like we’d have 3 big competitors but then Grok 4.2 or 4.4 was just diabolical while OAI and Claude continued their significant improvements. Grok was/is so bad that I was convinced musk was gonna shut it down and just fund Anthropic compute once they reached their compute agreement.

reply
WarmWash 13 minutes ago
Good thing they used 5.6 sol instead of Astra for benchmarks, the EEbench one is crazy[1]

[1]https://eebench.org/

reply
simonw 16 minutes ago
$2/million inout and $6/million output but I couldn't see any pricing information for cached input tokens?
reply
Tsarp 31 minutes ago
Waiting on simonw "Generate an SVG of a pelican riding a bicycle " benchmark to judge this model
reply
rvz 26 minutes ago
You mean a performative pseudo-benchmark that tests for nothing.

At this point you might as well ask an AI model to generate audio waveforms from text and judge it as an audio model or ask a model specifically designed to generate SVGs [0] to generate videos.

[0] https://quiver.ai/

reply
jcims 20 minutes ago
We're allowed to have our ceremonies.
reply
kridsdale3 5 minutes ago
Thank you. If this whole thing isn't fun, it isn't worth doing.
reply
user43928 15 minutes ago
You don't think it's useful to learn whether a model's "intelligence" generalizes beyond the tasks and modalities it is usually optimized for?
reply
TylerE 12 minutes ago
Absolutely not. Makes about as much sense as judging a car based on how good an airplane it makes.
reply
user43928 2 minutes ago
I disagree. If GPT-7 can draw the Mona Lisa in MS Paint via computer use, this would be interesting.

That it isn't the most efficient way to achieve the same end result is irrelevant.

reply
lumirth 3 minutes ago
Have you considered that the single most impressive breakthrough of LLMs as a technology is their ability to generalize beyond what they were explicitly trained on? Great analogy, pal, but LLMs aren't cars.
reply
AM1010101 28 minutes ago
Did 4.6 not have an x-high reasoning level? Why are they comparing 4.7 x-high with 4.6 high?
reply
ssutch3 9 minutes ago
It did not. xhigh is new to grok.
reply
forgot-my-pw 3 minutes ago
Not sure on the API side, in Cursor you can always use 4.6 at xhigh.
reply
meerita 25 minutes ago
Grok it's really expensive. I'm getting really amazing results using DeepSeek 4.1 Flash for fraction of the price.
reply
testfrequency 12 minutes ago
What is the most secure way to use this model as someone who is lazy
reply
parineum 21 minutes ago
Brought to you by...
reply
meerita 18 minutes ago
By no one. For the price of 1M token you can get more and with better results with other models.
reply
6thbit 26 minutes ago
( why is the x-axis on the first chart in descending order ? )
reply
simianwords 2 hours ago
I guess it’s only my opinion but having used grok for personal chat: it’s by far the worst one amongst Claude, ChatGPT and even Deepseek, Gemini etc.

The personality is bland and it doesn’t work nearly as hard or even tries to help.

reply
slowin 57 minutes ago
This has been my experience as well. Grok will end tasks almost immediately and claim "Done!". It's definitely the laziest and most "dishonest" of all the models. The others aren't perfect, but I can't use Grok for any serious coding task.
reply
Capricorn2481 53 minutes ago
> The personality is bland

I don't use Grok, but do you want your LLM to have a personality? "Personality" is exactly what people don't like about Claude.

reply
Razengan 26 minutes ago
I want my sexbot to have a personality
reply
nython 5 minutes ago
What if it doesn't like you
reply
artemonster 58 minutes ago
I used openrouter to send same prompt to qwen, derpseek, gemini and grok and found that grok does good research and produces less bullshit, especially when prompted to be critical of an idea
reply
xutopia 21 minutes ago
Ask it to be critical of the birthday photos and see where that gets you.
reply
artemonster 19 minutes ago
can you elaborate?
reply
MuffinFlavored 13 minutes ago
If the CursorBench 4.0 score diagram is the headline, I read it as "Grok 4.7 xHigh is almost the same as Fable5.1 on low".

Is there a metric for like... time taken when comparing these two? I see score and cost.

If Fable5.1 can knock it out more quickly on low but Grok4.7 might take twice as long to stumble through a problem (and leave behind a bunch of yucky comments or un-needed extra unit tests), are they really comparable?

Or like... the "quality" of the solution? "It works" versus "it's unmaintainable/very messy/hacky".

reply
andsoitis 30 minutes ago
Congratulations to the team!
reply
ls1911 2 hours ago
after using cursor grok & trae.ai for several months , grok curor is highly superior results to trae.ai
reply
Saline9515 31 minutes ago
I tried in Omp (Oh-my-pi), and so far it's really problematic.

It will loop in thinking mode ("Let me implement those fixes: Fix 1, Fix 2, Fix 3 .... Fix 80, Fix 81"), ignore the AGENTS.md instructions, corrupt plan files, etc etc... I have 5.6 Sol as advisor/watchdog, and it blocks every turn, I never saw this. Quite a shame, 4.6 wasn't so bad.

reply
xmorse 9 minutes ago
OMP is a joke. don't use that garbage
reply
sidgtm 44 minutes ago
In my experience Grok especially inside Grok build is pretty solid choice, it’s a no nonsense model and stays on its course. Another surface where I truly enjoy the experience of using Grok model is Grok bot
reply
felixgallo 2 minutes ago
Your friendly reminder that Grok is owned and directly steered by the white supremacist guy with the fascist haircut who does nazi salutes and fucked up decades of international order to settle scores for his apartheid south african family. Any amount of using the model supports this.
reply
bluepeter 20 minutes ago
[dead]
reply
toader 58 minutes ago
[flagged]
reply
ctrlkctrls 49 minutes ago
Judging by Elon's staggering success in all of his ventures I'd say you're out of touch.
reply
chris_money202 33 minutes ago
Think we all can agree he has had staggering successes, but they have all come from having massive capital from Paypal which wasn't anything super innovative, it just solved a convenient problem at a convenient time and was awarded handsomely. Elon has put his capital to work in various ways to become successful, not all of the ways being morally sound.
reply
thereitgoes456 41 minutes ago
He has had many failures, SolarCity and xAI and X and DOGE to name a few, but he has often bailed them out with his larger ventures.

Even with his successes (Tesla, SpaceX) he has built them up in large part by bending levers of government to his advantage.

reply
sssilver 31 minutes ago
I take issue with your use of the word "bend" here.

Can you provide specific examples of where Elon has bent the levers of government?

reply
redox99 32 minutes ago
xAI is the most profitable part of SpaceX by far.
reply
voidfunc 33 minutes ago
> Even with his successes (Tesla, SpaceX) he has built them up in large part by bending levers of government to his advantage.

So what? Thats called being a maverick. He is very very good at executing on making money which is the point of business.

reply
andsoitis 32 minutes ago
> He is very very good at executing on making money which is the point of business.

Also pushing technology forward.

reply
brandonagr2 27 minutes ago
What failed with X? Usage today is higher than ever
reply
nozzlegear 12 minutes ago
Brand reputation; ROI; grok the sexual harassment bot; grok the child porn bot; his free speech absolutism position. Take your pick.
reply
ls612 46 minutes ago
Hardly seems worse than supporting Dario’s antics at least vis a vis AI. There are no saints in this industry, only a panoply of flawed humans.
reply
jackfischer 47 minutes ago
The public very much voted for massive administrative reform. Are you refering to DOGE, Elon Musk's influence on elections, something else?
reply
nibbleyou 42 minutes ago
I personally don't like him using his position to spread fake news and racist propaganda
reply
estearum 46 minutes ago
As if "the public" knows literally anything about how the US federal government is administered.

If anything, they voted for reduced debt burden and they got the opposite. DOGE failed at pretty much every single one of the goals that the public arguably gave it a mandate for.

reply
serbuvlad 29 minutes ago
> As if "the public" knows literally anything

Ah, yes, democracy!, except for when the public is wrong.

Who decides when the public is wrong? We do! Who decides "what the public voted for"? We do! So we are the rulers? No, of course, not, this is democracy.

You want to become the decider of when the public is wrong and of what the public voted for? TYRANT! TYRANT!

reply
verdverm 13 minutes ago
being ignorant and influenced is different from being wrong, the american electorate is well known to be under informed

half of voters don't pay any attention to politics until the week or two before voting

reply
maelito 43 minutes ago
reply
fourseventy 41 minutes ago
Only sheep believe that was a Nazi salute
reply
KyleTheDev 39 minutes ago
Only sheep call other people sheep.

Sheep often like to think themselves the wolf or coyote, it would seem.

reply
jml78 30 minutes ago
Holy shit, what his whole speech. Yes go watch it. There is zero way. Zero it wasn’t a Nazi salute.

Fuck, it is like the denial around Jan 6th. Those idiots we’re live streaming that shit. I watched it go down live. Now they say they weren’t violent.

We can’t have discourse when we have legit video evidence and people refuse to open their eyes and choose to deny reality

reply
sejje 16 minutes ago
Why would he make a Nazi salute and then shit all over Nazi ideology?

Which Nazi ideologies do you think he embraces? How do you reconcile all the Nazi ideologies he rejects?

reply
Romanulus 34 minutes ago
[dead]
reply
AtlanticThird 52 minutes ago
Weird, that's the main reason I purchase all of Elon's products https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/
reply
thoman23 48 minutes ago
Привет, fellow American!
reply
jmward01 46 minutes ago
[flagged]
reply
andsoitis 42 minutes ago
Try it for software development.
reply
jmward01 40 minutes ago
I have even less trust in their not training on my data/credentials/everything on my computer.
reply
sejje 15 minutes ago
Maybe comment on model releases you've got some experience, or insight about.
reply
solid_fuel 32 minutes ago
Seriously. They already get caught uploading everyone’s private credentials once before, one would have to be a particularly gullible rube to trust grok again. Especially with musk in charge.
reply
kristofferR 2 hours ago
What's with the deceptive graph on top? Not including Astra can't have been an oversight, did the model compare poorly to it?
reply
Jcampuzano2 55 minutes ago
https://openai.com/index/our-decision-on-cursor-following-it...

This explains why. Mentioned in another comment, but cursorbench explicitly tests with Cursor as the harness, and OpenAI doesn't allow them to use Astra in Cursor.

reply
user43928 22 minutes ago
> with a proposed shutoff date of November 12, 2026

That said, I don't expect them to benchmark Astra in their Cursor harness given the situation.

reply
Jcampuzano2 3 minutes ago
Cursor never added Astra to its consumer subscription plans. And it's likely exactly because of this announcement. Why would they add support for a model they would have to remove shortly after?
reply
kristofferR 34 minutes ago
That's not accurate. OpenAI doesn't allow Grok to provide Astra to Cursor customers anymore, but it doesn't ban anyone from using Astra via alternative harnesses.

If Cursor wanted to include Astra in CursorBench nothing would stop them, they could easily have spent half an hour vibecoding in OpenAI API key support - if it hadn't been convenient to neglect to do that.

reply
andsoitis 30 minutes ago
Even if they could do that (workaround to include Astra in CursorBench), that has no practical consequences for Cursor users and that's what I as a Cursor user (what I use for dev, though I use ChatGPT for non-dev stuff) care about.
reply
kristofferR 29 minutes ago
It would make the benchmark way better obviously, by showing how their new model compares to their competitors, the whole point of benchmarks and graphs.
reply
Jcampuzano2 5 minutes ago
The point of Cursor Bench is to show how models perform in Cursor. If 99% of their users won't be able to access a model unless they go out of their way to include setup an API key for it (which would be insanely expensive with Astra), why would they include it in the benchmark?
reply
scottyah 49 minutes ago
Deceptive? An extremely quick google search would answer your question. OpenAI pulled out of Cursor before they released Astra so it never got that benchmark.
reply
kristofferR 31 minutes ago
Pulled out from letting them resell Astra access, that's not a limitation on running a benchmark.
reply
Iolaum 59 minutes ago
I wonder if that means that SpaceX evals show that they consider astra better than fable or that they hate Sam&co so much they don't want to show their stuff.
reply
Jcampuzano2 56 minutes ago
https://openai.com/index/our-decision-on-cursor-following-it...

Its because of this. You can't use Astra in Cursor, and cursorbench uses cursor as the harness. They can't actually benchmark it using their harness hence why its not included.

reply
ryeguy 10 minutes ago
They can benchmark it because you can use an openai api key with cursor. Astra is just not included in the cursor plan.
reply
babelfish 55 minutes ago
They have Astra in other benchmarks lower on the page. They just don't want to show it winning
reply
Jcampuzano2 53 minutes ago
The chart is cursorbench though and they asked about the "deceptive graph"
reply
babelfish 58 minutes ago
this is exactly it.
reply
saejox 9 minutes ago
Not even close to astra. Astra is something else. It is expensive, but uses way fewer tokens do my tasks.

xAI missed its chance, Ball is on Anthropic's court.

reply
zug_zug 24 minutes ago
Well I "tried it out" I asked it one question, and it gave no answer and said "Sign up to use more!" I don't think I'll be doing that, no.

I can't think of a single dimension grok is winning on (capability, cost, voice), but want to stay open-minded -- anybody want to vouch for its capabilities in any domain?

reply
sejje 9 minutes ago
If you haven't used it, how do you know if it's winning?

I think it's winning on UI for normies (grok bot) and they made some claims about being pareto SOTA (lowest cost per task completed) a while back with 4.6.

I find it to be a perfectly capable model for implementation (there are many in this class--deepseek flash, spark1.3, luna, etc). I find the usage to be very generous w/ supergrok. I find the model to be just fine for 90% of what I want to do, but I use a smarter model to plan complicated things.

reply
grim_io 18 minutes ago
It's probably the most aligned (to a single person) model out there!
reply
puszczyk 14 minutes ago
For me it works well for agentic coding tasks and terminal/unix/bash (in cursor and grok build); it's also token efficient and cheaper than gpt 5.6. It's def not as good as Fable for me (I haven't used Astra much, can't comment). So it's not the cheapest, not the most capable, but it has a good mix of it for my backend, go, infra work.

The voice is the same AI slop as the others imho.

(This is about Grok 4.6, I didn't test 4.7 yet).

edit: clarified I mean agentic coding tasks

reply
dom96 3 minutes ago
It’s a shame this model has such negative political baggage associated with it. It’s the only one I decided not to run in my LLM benchmarks[1].

1 - https://bench.killswitch-lang.org

reply
sejje 52 seconds ago
You'll have to include it in the future, or your benchmark won't be relevant.

For now, I doubt anyone would notice your protest if you didn't announce it.

reply