Two American Airlines Flights End Up with the Same Flight Numbers
44 points by samch 3 hours ago | 23 comments
amelius 2 hours ago
Falsehoods airlines believe about flight numbers.
replyreadthenotes1 28 minutes ago
Iirc, AA/Sabre knows that a flight identifier is actually carrier+flight number+origin airport+departure date.
replyBut who all calls someone by their full name all the time??
BJones12 2 hours ago
> American assigns the same flight number to the outbound and return services, with the same aircraft typically operating both legs.
replySo they could just not do that.
gausswho 2 hours ago
I'd like to hear more from someone in the industry about the resolution to this problem. As I understand it, we're trading a small non-zero risk of mistaken identity for the streamlined communication of using four digits rather than five (which carries its own non-zero benefit to safety). This has become a problem because airline consolidation means some of them operate so many flights per day that their limited pool of numbers dictate that they reuse them for either direction.
replyCould we resolve this by swapping one number for a letter? 26 options instead of 10 raises the pool substantially. Letters A-J indicate inbound, K-Z outbound? Or westbound/eastbound.
ycan 2 hours ago
Alphanumeic call signs are already used around the world [0], it's just that the US (like many other aviation fields) is behind the times.
reply[0] https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/aviation-explainer-series...
stackghost 2 hours ago
Root cause:
reply> American assigns the same flight number to the outbound and return services, with the same aircraft typically operating both legs.
Other airlines don’t do this, and instead assign a different flight number to the return flight.
genocidicbunny 46 minutes ago
Alaska does the same too. Especially with their shorter flights, you might have more than 2 of the same flight per day.
replyEkaros 43 minutes ago
Sound like that would be absolute pain if not for customer anyone who just got flight number and wanted to track the process. Or at least I took that as having multiple flights leaving at different times during the day... Couldn't you even have different flights departing at same time with same number in weirdest case?
replyranger_danger 2 hours ago
What amazes me is that their software has never been updated to support flight numbers longer than 4 digits.
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It's the same idea though; one was inbound, the other outbound, and ATC had to distinguish between the two.
[edit: Corrected locations.]