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39 points by handfuloflight 5 hours ago | 60 comments

impulser_ 4 hours ago
The more time goes on the more I think there is basically no moat in AI products because everyone is literally building the same shit. There is zero creativity in AI product right now. Yeah they might be different designs, but they are all the same exact product under the skin.

Cursor, Devin, Factory, Amp Code, Codex, Claude Codex, Antigravity, Conductor, OpenCode, T3 Code, Orca, Emdash, and hundreds of more of the same exact shit.

Yeah they might market it same fancy revolutionary technology like Orbs, but it not it just an agent harness local or remote. You can do orbs literally with Claude Code with a single prompt it not special.

We have AI that lets you build things freely and yet here we are all building the same exact thing.

This is just coding harness. The personal assistant space is the exact same.

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jr3592 3 hours ago
Agreed. I think coding agents have shown us one very important thing: It was never about the code.

Your idea and how well you can execute on it, i.e. how well you understand the problem space, is what has always mattered.

Coding being so easy now has just pulled back the curtain and shown the world that software developers really don't have much left to contribute. It's been done, a thousandfold.

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personjerry 3 hours ago
what is Orbs?
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impulser_ 45 minutes ago
https://ampcode.com/what-are-orbs

Agents running in a remote vm.

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hmokiguess 3 hours ago
I think it's like a Plumbus
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jr3592 3 hours ago
Which btw is very similar to Lorpi
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hmokiguess 4 hours ago
The velocity of how this space gets reskinned is wild.

Clearly we do not yet feel satisfied with the way we consume and work with agents at scale.

It looks like perhaps rather than skinning we need a more novel UX or workflow to emerge.

I can't help but think all of this is living on borrowed time and eventually it will look more like talking to your "assistant" that fields everything for you and maybe some new async interruption model that fits humans better.

Biggest bottleneck in my opinion still is how to solve for information density.

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siscia 4 hours ago
Thanks so much for saying this!

Even with a single instance of Claude Code, running I am producing so much code that it is impossible to even self-review.

Can we please focus on that?

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efields 4 hours ago
Self-review is an anti-pattern.
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siscia 48 minutes ago
Just to be clear, when I say that it is impossible even to self review, it was an indication of how difficult is to review code of colleagues.
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david_p 4 hours ago
Proofreading an essay before submitting it is an anti pattern?
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pipsterwo 3 hours ago
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jasonpeacock 4 hours ago
So much this. We don't review the assembly/machine-code that the compiler creates, why do we still review the code the AI generates?

If it works as desired then ship it; if it doesn't then iterate until it does.

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surgical_fire 2 hours ago
_because compiling a code language into machine language is deterministic_.

If you think that compiling and explaining in English something to an LLM so it outputs code is the same activity, I just hope to never have you as a coworker.

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LeBit 21 minutes ago
Don’t want to be an asshole but the pattern I have observed is that people who were not qualified / competent to code before November of 2022 have this mentality.

They want to make you feel dumb and useless with your software development knowledge.

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ryandrake 4 hours ago
This is only OK where “it works” is the only criteria for accepting a software change.
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therein 4 hours ago
Because the compiler does a deterministic transform on the input. And the input is less ambiguous than natural language and following more strict rules.

Why ask obvious things?

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poolnoodle 4 hours ago
That's such an AI bro take
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six_seven 4 hours ago
Did you re-read your comment before hitting reply?
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antoineMoPa 3 hours ago
I built some tools that lets me view diffs and summon agents to execute changes. You can probably vibe code that in a few minutes.
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mypalmike 4 hours ago
We simply need neural implant technology to overclock our brains, making the world (and its Claude instances) appear to go slower.
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hmokiguess 4 hours ago
You got downvoted but your joke made me think of the show The Dark Matter and how they had the concept of a hallway with infinite doors to represent the multiverse to the human brain that cannot comprehend the state of superposition.

I sort of get what you're going for maybe? In a sense these things are gonna evolve at a rate where we are not going to be able to operate at their plane and we will need a sort of UX translation

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tptacek 4 hours ago
This looks basically the same as what Paseo does, and Paseo is open source, works on lots of different platforms, and has native apps.

I have a homelab-type setup with macOS, phone, and ARM and x64 Linux platforms, all of which I can dispatch agent work to from my laptop from, like, an airplane.

It's extremely useful, scales up the number of experiments I can run, and decouples me from my dev laptop. But it's also just table stakes at this point.

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rihegher 3 hours ago
I don't know if it is me but with Paseo I can't seems to resume a Claude code session. I feel I would prefer a mobile interface to herdr that is agent aware. Am I the only one not finding the right solution?
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tptacek 3 hours ago
That's not a problem I've had, but I believe you. My thing here isn't so much "Paseo is amazing" (though: having something like Paseo is a pretty big power-up from directly working with model harnesses) as it is "whatever else you do needs to be meaningfully better than Paseo to be worth doing".

My real belief about this stuff is that these things are all light sabers: developers are just going to build their own.

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Xiol 4 hours ago
I am so tired.
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speedgoose 4 hours ago
The game is waiting out to see which jobs we can have instead.
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whywhywhywhy 21 minutes ago
Really just worth learning SSH and Tmux instead of building your workflow against something that's trying to replace them
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barishnamazov 4 hours ago
How is this different from running Paseo [0] in your VM?

[0] https://paseo.sh/

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warkdarrior 4 hours ago
Paseo seems to use a slightly less dark background color.
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dimator 4 hours ago
It seems like there's a similar project every week.
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jr3592 3 hours ago
Yea. The people making these things are vibe coding them out the door before even doing the smallest little bit of market research. It's lunacy.
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surgical_fire 2 hours ago
It is anxiety, not lunacy.
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handfuloflight 3 hours ago
So why does Hacker News keep upvoting them?
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willmeyers 4 hours ago
All these agent conductors are like new frontend frameworks of the before times. Everyone is making and trying to market them.
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jr3592 3 hours ago
Seriously. Who gets suckered into this hype? I find the default MacOS terminal to be plenty. Start a new tab, start claude, rinse & repeat.
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icedchai 46 minutes ago
These days, I run Claude Code on a headless VM and SSH in. I don't trust it to run unsupervised on my desktop. Maybe I'm paranoid.
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mynegation 26 minutes ago
Me. I don’t sit the whole day in front of the working computer or open laptop, but my phone connected to the always on server is always with me.
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willmeyers 3 hours ago
Yeah they're just resume padding for AI engineers or something
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sunir 4 hours ago
sudo pmset disablesleep 1

Your Mac will now work while the lid is closed.

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mynegation 25 minutes ago
RIP your battery
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hosel 4 hours ago
Exactly. My laptop just never goes to sleep, and it’s been great. What else do you need?
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kruxigt 4 hours ago
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jr3592 4 hours ago
I don't get it. ChatGPT's Codex app allows you to use your machine, when its locked. It has full computer use, can code, open browsers, apps, etc. Why would we need a separate app for this?
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victor22 3 hours ago
They're milking "hourly cloud" charges which is absurdly high
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skybrian 4 hours ago
A custom Mac application seems limiting compared to a web app. I use a web browser to connect from my laptop, tablet, and phone to use Linux VMs on exe.dev.

But it might be nice to have a nice way to run VMs on my Mac mini, too.

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hartator 54 minutes ago
How does it compares to native claude rc?
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mynegation 33 minutes ago
On the claude side, it periodically signs me out, breaking the session. Yes, I can ssh and reconnect but why? You can use a long-lived token but you are not allowed to run remote control for those sessions. Anything that solves that pesky problem is better than “Claude rc”.
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mkrecny 4 hours ago
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mattkevan 4 hours ago
It's so obvious on projects like this that everything's generated.

"One line. A worktree, a box, an agent." Fuck does that mean?

Have some pride and actually write the text yourself. Tell my why it's interesting. What problems are you trying to solve?

If you can't be bothered to write it, why should I be bothered to read it.

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giwook 4 hours ago
Why use brain when AI
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mattkevan 4 hours ago
Claude 5 hitting developers and product managers like 4o hit people who thought ChatGPT was their boyfriend or they were inventing a new branch of science.
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ninininino 4 hours ago
"The agents run on your boxes, not on your laptop. Close it and they keep working; open it in the morning and what they did is there."

What is a box? Sorry is that a remote VM? A local VM that stays awake when the laptop screen is closed?

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wredcoll 4 hours ago
How does this have so many upvotes?
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Tadpole9181 4 hours ago
Because anyone who says you can't buy GitHub stars or HN up votes is lying.
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surgical_fire 2 hours ago
How can I sell github stars? Is there a marketplace for that? My HN upvotes are for sale as well.

I would trade my HN account for a larger SD, or a good memory stick.

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kvakkefly 4 hours ago
Orca clone?
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personjerry 4 hours ago
So it's another codex/claude cloud or modal?
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rvz 4 hours ago
Yet another Vibe coded slop clone of a remote claude code.

The quality bar is quite low these days.

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jr3592 3 hours ago
I don't know why this is getting downvoted. It's completely obviously that this is a 100% vibe coded slop project which is already supported with out of the box tools. There was, and is, almost zero need for this.
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atrokhymchuk 4 hours ago
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