Thunderbird for iOS
158 points by mjorgers 3 hours ago | 58 comments

pmkary 2 hours ago
I don't get why Mozilla's designs are so ugly. It's 2026, everyone has beautiful designs and some browsers (Arc, Dia) are so gorgeous you don't want to work with anything else. And then this not-even-released mail app looks like old Bootstrap web apps. I used to love Mozilla for having some of the most beautiful designs. The era of Forefox OS and Firefox 4 with their beautiful beautiful designs and then they said no; threw out that beautiful dinosaur logo for whatever this ugly pointless one is and now look at their software. My eyes hurt for the amount of design problems in Firefox. Okay you made a bad one, at least start something new correctly.
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WD-42 2 hours ago
I don’t understand people complaining about Firefox UI. It barely exists. There’s a url bar with some buttons in each side. If you use vertical tabs, another bar with tiny icons for each tab.

There’s so little chrome I can’t find any fault in it. It’s just grey, out of the way, as it should be.

Edit: https://imgur.com/a/1I4gG22 tell me where the bad/ugly UI is.

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squidbeak 2 hours ago
There's too much chrome. There's no way that I've ever been able to find to remove the fat fixed message header in reading view to see more of the message.
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dawnerd 37 minutes ago
Have you seen the new Nova theme? It’s horrible, especially with vertical tabs.
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WD-42 32 minutes ago
I took the screenshot with the nova theme enabled. That’s what it looks like. It’s a nothingburger.
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moolcool 57 minutes ago
I do not like the vertical tabs at all
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WD-42 52 minutes ago
Good thing you don’t have to use them.
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F3nd0 18 minutes ago
Remember when Mozilla did a huge rebrand that introduced a new logo many people actually loved for its ingenuity, styling their name as moz://a? [1] And then, not very long after, they did another rebrand that resulted in… whatever they’ve got now? [2] Taking a step forward and then two steps back seems like a very Mozilla thing to do.

  [1] https://blog.mozilla.org/opendesign/arrival/
  [2] https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/mozilla-brand-next-era-of-tech/
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NoboruWataya 3 minutes ago
Here's the HN thread about the rebrand that "many people actually loved for its ingenuity" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13425380

There is some praise but it's mostly the same complaints that come up whenever Mozilla gets mentioned on HN, it's awful, I can't believe they've done this, millions wasted etc.

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layer8 60 minutes ago
Looking at the screenshots, I don’t have a problem with the aesthetics of the UI, but with how it’s wasting a lot of space. It feels like we could see more content on a small 4” smartphone screen 15 years ago: https://media.idownloadblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/R... (and that already felt a bit wasteful back then, where a different layout could almost double the number of items visible at once)
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maxloh 30 minutes ago
You know what? We also have people complaining about the new Firefox UI redesign, which is exactly the whitespace-heavy style you found in Arc or Dia.
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moistoreos 10 minutes ago
GASP!
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vallerie 37 minutes ago
Zen is delightful to use, and based on Firefox. I just don't get what's going on at Mozilla.
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copperx 2 hours ago
> some browsers (Arc, Dia) are so gorgeous

With all due respect, what a low bar for beauty!

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hk1337 26 minutes ago
I don't care for the Material Design, even when Google did/does it.
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xyst 42 minutes ago
To parent commenter, "beautiful design" just means "AI powered browser".

A quick glance at their product and its literally just a clone/fork of chrome/chromium with AI-pilled features.

"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder" holds true.

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yuhmahp 2 hours ago
was wondering the same. Mozilla seems out of touch
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astameteo 3 hours ago
I was using Thunderbird on Android for years and keep using it on Linux, but it aged rather poorly.

Search is completely useless, it never-ever finds anything. Threads are supported, but their functionality is not configurable so whenever I lazily click on the complete thread (instead of opening it, scrolling down to the last item and clicking on it directly) it opens every message of the thread. Really nice functionality for large threads with 60+ emails!

So I am a bit skeptical why on earth they would increase their coverage when the already supported platforms lack decent UX.

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cromka 2 hours ago
They're weird with contributions and fixing old bugs as well, to the point community run patchsets make it a much better product...

See Betterbird for reference and their blog posts, it sheds some more light on aforementioned weirdness.

Also see other comment in this thread mentioning how you can't search for "wedding". A bug that is 14 years now.

At this point I'm really considering trialing one of those two vibe coded clients recently shown here on HN.

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Dennip 2 hours ago
Very much agree. I still use it on windows because nothing else seems much better, but there are a lot of things I feel are fairly basic/core features that just don't work right, I often find myself wanting to use the gmail web..

- Search - Threads - Windows integrated notifications/unread badge - Syncing unread counts in folders - Text/Email Editor

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secabeen 2 hours ago
GMail search fundamentally has an advantage over a mobile email client as Google can and does maintain dedicated indexes for your email on their servers. While a mobile client could do the same, it's not really something that you want to do on a battery-powered device.

It would be a great thing for IMAP servers to do, but none of the major open source ones really take on that feature, and Google wants you in their web-client, so searches via IMAP are low-quality at best.

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xethos 31 minutes ago
> While a mobile client could do the same, it's not really something that you want to do on a battery-powered device

Doesn't this feel like a perfect example of work done at 3AM when plugged in and (importantly) after the battery is fully charged? It won't be perfect, searching for an email in the afternoon that you received in the morning won't be in the index, but I generally don't need search for emails I received so recently anyways

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kev009 14 minutes ago
I don't know the other servers well but Dovecot has good SEARCH support.
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cromka 51 minutes ago
I would totally use TheBat on Windows
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pizza234 2 hours ago
I use it as well, and it's a turd of a program. However, the flipside is that nowadays, with AI, one can build addons very easily, to fill missing functionality.
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p-e-w 2 hours ago
It’s a turd of a program today, but it didn’t use to be. I bet that if you took one of the earliest versions from 20 years ago and fixed the security issues, you’d get a great email client, because that’s what Thunderbird once was and email itself has barely changed.
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riedel 2 hours ago
Thunderbird desktop has the expression-search-ng addon that is notoriously breaks on updates. Wonder why the team does not make search a priority cross platform.
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vangreen 3 hours ago
I have similar thoughts. What email client do you use on Android?
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jdoss 2 hours ago
I have used Aquamail https://www.aqua-mail.com/android since the mid 2009 on my android devices. It's been solid and it is super customizable. I think the only downside is they changed their payment model a while back and if you didn't buy it back then it costs monthly fee or a $99.99 for a lifetime license. I highly recomend it if you do a lot of email on your phone.
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riedel 2 hours ago
I use k9/thunderbird for private mail. But for my org's on prem exchange account I use nine folders, as I also want to sync calendar and contacts. (We have a davmail gateway but it has quirks)
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warrantisall 57 minutes ago
I use ProfiMail on Android. Loving the app since Symbian era. K9Mail is ok too.
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karussell 2 hours ago
Isnt K-9 Mail supposed to join forces with Thunderbird? K-9 Mail works fine for me.
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ilvez 2 hours ago
Already did. Both should be essentially the same, different skins and some rather miner functional differences afaik. Using TB on Android and I agree with critics, like dysfunctional search etc
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riedel 2 hours ago
Thunderbird for android is K9 just rebranded afaik.
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jamapy 3 hours ago
I use FairEmail in Android.
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crossroadsguy 2 hours ago
I am almost certain that the only reason (feature) I have Thunderbird desktop installed has no place in this iOS app – an editable FROM field. I am pretty sure of that.

Ah, just saw the coolest thing - an epic subheading:

> Designed for growth

Love it. There's no stopping this app now. Godspeed, Mozila/Thunderbird! Grow is the new word.

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domh 58 minutes ago
Editable from field is also the only reason I was using it with protonmail. I can't remember if it was a protonmail limitation or a Thunderbird one that meant I had to pre-add any email addresses before I could send any messages from them though.

Now I'm on fastmail, the from address is an input box that I can put anything into.

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jaksmit 2 hours ago
what does being able to edit the from field enable you to do?
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tredre3 2 hours ago
The official explanation is as follows:

    If your e-mail provider supports it, Customize From Address allows you to make a one-off minor alteration to your From address without having to create a new identity in Account Settings. For example, if your From address is John Doe <john@example.com> you may want to change it to John Doe <john+doe@example.com> or John <john@example.com>.
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HumblyTossed 2 hours ago
The Mail app that comes with iOS is plenty.
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hk1337 24 minutes ago
Yeah, the only thing it doesn't do is shared inboxes with Microsoft Office accounts. I would really like to uninstall Microsoft Outlook.
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zikduruqe 19 minutes ago
> it doesn't do

For a company focused on privacy, I'd love GnuPG integrated into the mail app.

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Jaxan 14 minutes ago
It does have S/MIME, I think?
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bluescrn 3 hours ago
But why? What's the USP here?

Maybe there's a demand for a more feature-rich mail client on iOS, perhaps syncing accounts and filters from the desktop app. But this doesn't seem to be that, at least not at this point.

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tiberious726 2 hours ago
It's impossible (other than mutual TLS) to do mfa on the native ios mail app without trusting a third party for one of your factors. Hopefully Thunderbird will support it...
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zmk5 2 hours ago
They have a paid email service now. This is likely for that and for other users who want a thunderbird-based, free e-mail client.
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ChrisArchitect 2 hours ago
Suggest keeping "A first look" in the title for clarity that this isn't a full release

Title: Thunderbird for iOS: A First Look

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atrokhymchuk 3 hours ago
apparently that is a native iOS application, I wonder whether they tried to use KMP to use same codebase with the android app
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crossroadsguy 2 hours ago
I have seen this. Some devs actually write a pure swift ui app and still manage to make that look like anything but a pure switt ui app. Since the mothership is Mozilla I won't put is past them.
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cosmic_cheese 2 hours ago
Much more than UIKit, SwiftUI enables the web front-end mentality that mandates no stone be left without a custom style. It's one reason that I'm not particularly fond of it.
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basilikum 28 minutes ago
But can it do IRC?
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CJefferson 3 hours ago
It's been 14 years since I reported you can't search for "wedding" in Bugzilla, have they ever fixed it, they hadn't last time I checked:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=752844

(The bug is they do 'clever matching', so wedding matches weds, and too many emails you weds for wednesday, you can't say 'just show the word I ask you for')

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dpkirchner 17 minutes ago
Well, they are funded by Google after all -- infamous for replacing or ignoring search terms entirely.
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NoboruWataya 49 minutes ago
If you sort by relevance it seems to prioritise the word you asked for? I searched "wedding" and the first few hundred results were all emails about actual weddings. It was only when I sorted by date I saw the "Wed" results.
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janci 2 hours ago
Yeah, the search in Thunderbird never worked for me, so I use the quick filter. Apparently it does not use the index (and is slower), but it works.
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michelb 2 hours ago
That thread is both hilarious and sad. Incredible that nobody has forked the project simply to implement a working search.
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cromka 58 minutes ago
Betterbird exists actually and they fix bugs like that, which Mozilla just refuses to address for whatever reason
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ls-a 59 minutes ago
[dead]
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