Question to my fellow ADHDers who take the meds, is fun still fun and happening? or has calmness become the new fun?
But the -crazy- fun is still accessible. I'm more risk aware, but still get the unconventional ideas. And I can always drop meds for a day and have a "high" day with less productivity and more "crazy" ideas. And I don't mean crazy as a negative, more like an adjective that describes it well.
However, it's important to love yourself (and this can be practiced and trained) and all your aspects. Even your ADHD self without meds, even your depression and dark thoughts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9s9PbBfwDfo
Also, I went through a lot of meds, and one I ended up with was because the first one made me a little too much "robot" like for my own liking. I'm too used to being "me" and didn't like how much the first one changed me. But I'd rather people try for themselves than have an opinion based on mine.
Edit: moved a coma, added yt link.
But being a Category 2 controlled substance means health care providers are always pushing me towards off-label use of antidepressants that DO have very big and worrying side effects.
I've read: sexual dysfunction, food cravings, changes to insulin response contributing to hard to lose and large weight gain (increasing diabetes risk), general tiredness making exercise difficult, loss of enjoyment
I've known quite a few many people go from slim to balloon in months and then unable to shift the weight years later. The doctors parrot the line that low mood was just suppressing appetite...
It's like being invited to play Russian roulette. Literally, as suicidal ideation ironically is a known side effect of the antidepressants...
What I don't like about this study is that they only take meds into consideration, but there are other treatment options. For example cognitive behaviour therapy. Also, they included studies that included self-diagnosed ADHD. Self diagnoses are on the rise and very often wrong (I.e. trauma response might present with adhd like symptoms). Aside from some other flaws I think the significance of this study is limited...
But it does exactly that. There have been enough studies about this. CBT and medication combined improved faster, but CBT alone catches up in a few months. E.g. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/108705471667119... or this study here: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31280035/
>Stimulants are the gold standard treatment.
I'm not arguing that they don't help, but CBT also increases other metrics, e.g. self esteem, acceptance, self-efficacy, and so on.
i feel much safer though knowing that now when i sometimes get a little bit of the itch, i'll think about it for a few seconds and go "eh, maybe later," and return to trying to make a thing, or play some music, or why is that stupid thing still broken oh its because i broke it.
I suppose impulsivity in terms of working on what I should be working on instead of going into some rabbit hole is a type of impulsivity, and that's certainly decreased! I wouldn't call the former state "fun" though... more like "shameful", "irrational", and "distressing". Personally -- YMMV.
Anyway: yes that's plausible, as this review found pretty strong evidence of increased mortality from injury. Still, I'd personally say it's unlikely for two major reasons:
1. Presumably most injury deaths happen to adults, which are relatively quite unlikely to have the HI presentation.
2. There's just so many plausible causes of injuries, especially in a society with cars. The inclusion of "intentional injury" also introduces a factor that's no doubt strongly corellated with socioeconomic status (i.e. being murdered/manslaughtered), another very plausible cause.
Just an anecdote there, but I believe there's a study or two demonstrating a correlation between ADHD and car accidents - I imagine being inattentive in a car is likely to also increase your risk.
You are born with ADHD and it does not get better, so the "rare" in adults is not factual, some people just get better at managing it.
Fun fact, now that you're here: adhd is severely over represented in prison populations. Several times the baseline general population rate.
If I stop taking my meds and let my mental health deteriorate for five years, they apparently think I'm less likely to be a net expense for them
Usually when I hear about health insurance being unreasonable, it's the united States. However, denying health insurance for a pre existing condition is illegal in the United States under the affordable care act, and I'm not aware of any exception to this that would explain your situation.
I'm skeptical about meta analyses in general because, the times when I've dug into a meta analysis and traced the conclusions back to the original papers, I've always been disappointed, and ended up not being convinced of the conclusions of the meta analysis.
Anyway, I haven't done that exercise for this paper, but I will say:
- Although the authors say they did a "systematic review and meta-analysis of 19 studies", only 12 of the 19 papers are included in the meta analysis.
- Only one of the authors read all the studies they included ("Study quality was assessed by 1 reviewer.")
- That reviewer was Lucy Corrigan, BSc ("Full texts were screened (L.C.) against the same inclusion and exclusion criteria (165 articles)...")
Here is the abstract of one of the 12 studies they included (and marked as 'Good' quality, the highest rating they gave): https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/19485565.2021.2...
Here is what they found:
Discrete-time hazard analysis indicates that the log odds of mortality were significantly lower among 18 and 19 year old adults ever diagnosed with ADHD and significantly higher among 46 to 64 year old adults ever diagnosed with ADHD, with a crossover occurring at age 33.... let me drop the website about the ADHD-comorbid health issues that you're probably not getting proper attention for. here, just go straight to the clinican details:
https://allbrainsbelong.org/clinician-resources/
and particularly this guide, which was absolutely life-changing:
https://allbrainsbelong.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/02/Every...
Speaking of treatment, do you also find LLMs awesome at getting you over the hump? For example, if I need to gather information across emails, chats, and documents for some form... odds are it will get done at the very last moment or later. But now that the clanker will do all that for me and put the first draft for fixes, I do it at the earliest possible moment.
People on ADHD medicine are also going through mental health treatments and get special care and privileges in society. At the same time, the effects of ADHD medication numb their responses and emotions to what seems outwardly stable and normal but deep inside it is an inhibitor of development.
So excuse me for saying so, but I don’t buy into the conclusions of this study at all.
Worth noting this feeling of calm comes solely as relief from spastic thoughts. Your body still responds in every other way as you would from taking a stimulant, and yet people feel calmer and more orderly because their baseline thoughts are so frenetic.
and I have pretty severe ADHD, so I strongly believe the diagnosis was correct. drugs just affect people differently. GP is talking about stimulants. I experienced what they describe.
they even took away my sense of humor. I'd rather die.
not everyone experiences this. I know people who love these drugs and report none of this. but some do
it's a valid and personal choice to be medicated -- or not
and you NTs need to shut up and fucking listen when the patients tell you why they don't want a treatment.
this thread is deeply offensive and insulting
this site is full of people who think they know everything, full of free advice, who know nothing
from the paper:
"Future research should consider psychosocial and sociodemographic factors to understand how being female, being of a minoritized race or ethnicity, and having experienced childhood maltreatment may contribute to the risk of mortality in people with ADHD. More diverse and representative samples are needed to improve generalizability and to identify inclusive pathways for intervention. Subgroups of people with ADHD who experience the highest mortality risk should be examined to support informing of initiatives to reduce premature mortality in people with ADHD. Clinically, these findings underscore the importance of long-term, comprehensive care for individuals with ADHD, with particular attention to identifying and addressing modifiable factors that may contribute to excess mortality risk. The association between medication use and lower mortality also highlights the importance of equitable access to evidence-based ADHD assessment and treatment."
Zero…
There, done. What treatment for ADHD has done for me in the real world is drastically cut my anxiety and stress. Turns out the most challenging parts of my life involved knowing I had to do a thing, or I’d get fired or evicted or sued or such, and being utterly incapable of getting myself to do it until it became a crisis. What a piece of crap I must be, right, for ignoring the things a responsible adult would be doing!
And then I started taking meds for it, and found out I could, just, decide to sit down and gather my tax paperwork, or write that report, or balance the checkbook, even though those things didn’t need to be done for several more weeks. At first, it was utterly liberating. And then it was kinda soul-crushing. I could’ve been living like this the whole time, minus all the stress and self esteem issues and anxiety? And then it was liberating again. Well, bummer life use to be like that, but it’s not anymore, so yay!
And it didn’t do a single thing to my emotions, other than removing about 90% of the anxiety from my life.
(I have to get this in before the inevitable jackass opines: no, life isn’t suddenly “easier because you’re taking meth”. I get no stimulant sensation whatsoever from my dose of Adderall. My morning coffee has a much stronger effect. It just allows me to decide what I should be working on at any given moment, even when no one’s angry at me. It is not an energy booster in any way.)
> going through mental health treatments and get special care and privileges in society
1. How could you know ADHD medication numb their responses if you've never taken meds?
2. I hope you have the live you deserve. You seem like a happy person.
it makes no assertion like that.
> People on ADHD medicine are also going through mental health treatments and get special care and privileges in society
what privileges?
I still need a list or five, but at least now I can remember I have a list, where I left my list, and to use my list.
I had 3 therapists I went through. After the first few meetings where they tell you you have ADHD, they all eventually stopped being helpful. Mostly I needed them to tell me what I needed to do to to build good habits or what I can do to work around my ADHD... and all they wanted to do was listen to me talk and provide no helpful information. None of them told me about the side effects of the medication, how I should use it, or anything. Now I have no therapist, and I'm not really any worse off. The medication helped me way more. But that's just my experience.
I'm unsure about the inhibitor of development bit also, do you mean physiological, intellectual, emotional... ...software?
Are you able to clarify what special care and privileges are you thinking of? I have seen a psychologist a few times, but I can't afford to do so nearly as much as I need to.
What mental health and special care privileges are you talking about ? Other than having to have a special aid in school nothing has been of benefit.
Anyway, as a side note:
People on ADHD medicine are also going through mental health treatments and get special care and privileges in society
the effects of ADHD medication numb their responses and emotions to what seems outwardly stable and normal but deep inside it is an inhibitor of development
Can someone let the fine fellows at the DEA know this so they can knock it off with being stupidly strict with the manufacture of the stimulant medications?
I'm sure this will be fine and you really have nothing to worry about.
My family has a long history of alcohol and substance abuse, I'm the first to be diagnosed and medicated for ADHD. If you're not medicated and have ADHD the risk of substance abuse is much higher, and there is a strong link to alcoholics being undiagnosed with ADHD.
I'm always scared of the long term effects of the medication, but without it I can't work or hardly even function.. I'm not sure of these benefits another user mentioned, but whatever they are is not worth the trade off at all.
Based on that, and my experience with taking meds everyday (diagnosed at 35, weekend school), where they tend to "accumulate" tension and I eventually have to take few days off, I'd extrapolate that side effects of 5/7 10/12 dosing are minimal.
But there's a whole other dimension to thinking about side effects. Based on research (I believe on thousands of Scandinavians) on pregnant women with ADHD, giving them stimulants during pregnancy is better for their children than not. (Based on lectures by Jarosław Jóźwiak, Polish MD, psychiatrist, specializing in ADHD, which themselves are based on current research). There's so many side effects of having unmedicated untreated ADHD other than deaths and accidents, that, quoting Joe Rogan's common sense comment, "giving amphetamine to kids (end of quote)" is a no brainer. Obesity, drug abuse, poor diet, depression, anxiety, emotional disregulation in general, ppl at school hating and mobbing you for being overly emotional and "crazy", poor school and life results, avg. age of first sex at 13 vs 18 for women, not having sex at all for young guys, and the general feeling that something is wrong with you compared to others.
In light of all these and other ADHD symptoms and effects, treating it with a well adjusted dose of stimulants sounds like the much better alternative. Just talk to your doctor early, when you suspect sth wrong with meds. They change how they work through lifetime, sometimes requiring dose adjustments. You might have to consciously eat more food (due to less appetite and burning more calories), than feels needed.
When I hear the "giving amphetamine to kids" crowd, i.e. the people who oppose medicating children with hard drugs, I instantly think of an article from 1930's, where a bunch of farmers burned down a radio station, because it "interfered" with their crops.
Just knowing that drugs are bad, without understanding the underlying mechanism with mutated dopamine pathway system and how it benefits from miniscule (for that individual) doses of stimulants is such a bad Dunning Kruger example. And it will hurt people (unmedicated ADHD sufferers) until the general population level of awareness rises. Or until people stop distrusting science and doctors, but I think that ship has sailed.
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