An Italian farmer found some unknown seeds in his attic and planted them
80 points by ecares 2 hours ago | 32 comments

comrade1234 20 minutes ago
Many farmers here in Switzerland grow urdinkel - ancient spelt. In the USA most farmers grew it also until around the 1920s but then a new wheat came out that was easier to process. Spelt has thicker hulls and wears down the mill faster so the mills switched to the new wheat and the farmers all had to switch too.

Based on the name I think ur (ancient) Dinkel (spelt) is even older than regular spelt but I'm not sure. All I know is that it makes great crackers but terrible pasta and ok bread but not great.

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daneel_w 6 minutes ago
I personally like spelt in bread. It provides a lot of aroma, especially for doughs that are overnight-leavened in low temperature.
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skmurphy 2 hours ago
key points about wheat Gross (the Italian farmer) discovered in 1990 his attic:

+ It fared better during droughts, growing so tall that it overshadowed the weeds. It didn’t need fertilizer or herbicides.

+ It's height can be a liability. Heavy winds, rains and hail can make the tall stems flip over before the grain ripens, ruining harvests.

+ Working with the lab of Teofilo Vamerali, Perobelli determined that the grain was Triticum turgidum—literally “swollen wheat” in Latin. Known in English as “poulard wheat,” it had originally evolved in what today are Turkey, Egypt and other nearby Mediterranean countries. And searching agricultural references, Perobelli found that it had been grown in Italy, too, until farmers shifted toward higher-yield commercial varieties. That solved the mystery of the seed bag stashed away in the attic: It had survived because Grossi’s grandfather saved some of the heritage grains.

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loufe 48 minutes ago
I know I tend to like some takeaway "summary" comments on HN, but this one just feels like snippets from an LLM reading the article. What's the thinking? The original text isn't particularly long or dense, and this isn't commentary.
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skmurphy 44 minutes ago
It's hand curated verbatim extracts designed to encourage HN members to read the full article. The clickbait title does not provide accurate context for the article which details events from 1990.

Reasonable people may differ and your mileage may vary. What were your key takeaways from the article?

I left out the points about shortcomings of Bourlag's wheat and the value of genetic diversity in a population. But my focus was to encourage people to read an article I found significant.

On a side note I don't use AI to craft HN comments beyond sometimes using Grammarly to check them for basic errors.

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barney54 44 minutes ago
What do you mean “what’s the thinking?”
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skmurphy 43 minutes ago
I think the meaning was "why did you write this?"
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ahartmetz 57 minutes ago
Height is a solvable problem today. Chemical growth regulators make wheat shorter and prevent it from buckling and falling over. They aren't the most suspect chemicals, but not exactly above all suspicion neither...
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benjiro29 50 minutes ago
Height is a solvable problem today. Chemical growth regulators

Or you do what Claudio Grossi did, and you mix the ancient grain with short growing grains that add stability. Sometimes the solution is simpler then just throwing chemicals at the problem.

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hommelix 34 minutes ago
This is a great practical approach, but when you harvest the crop you get a mix of higher crop and lower crop. It is more difficult to sell some mix than a pure crop with known properties. Technically, it would be possible to build a harvester with two cutters at different heights to separate the crops, but I've never seen one.
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benjiro29 29 minutes ago
You forgot about the height. It will overshadow the smaller crop, and lack of sunlight on this smaller crop may simply not produce any ears as a result. Just a "balcony farmer" but that is what i have seen with most plants that are overshadowed by dense/taller plants.
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lelandfe 17 minutes ago
A good story that touches on this is the Wizard and the Prophet, covering Norman Borlaug's efforts to crossbreed wheat that wasn't too tall, was resistant to blight, etc.
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Retric 26 minutes ago
That’s true in generation 1, but breeding isn’t a single generation. You repeat things across generations until you find a stable mix.
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ahartmetz 35 minutes ago
It seems like the genes that cause long stalks also have other benefits, otherwise they'd have been bred out a long time ago. At least that is what I figure.
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aDyslecticCrow 9 minutes ago
Short grains are modern;

- allow modern machines to harvest it more easily

- move slighly more of the plants energy into the seed

- prevent wind damage. (small farms bordered with trees was more typical historically)

On the historical side;

- The long stalks allow the crop to be bundled and dried without the seed touching the ground.

- It makes the stalks themselves useful as a building material in walls, roofs, isolation, bedding.

- It makes for a good grip as the seeds are pulled form the stalks with an historical thresher.

In short, we didn't start breeding grains to be short until modern post industrial farming techniques. Short grain does provide better yield on industrial mono-crop farming. But would have been seen as worse historically.

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skmurphy 33 minutes ago
They confer advantage over many weeds according to the article.
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ltbarcly3 3 minutes ago
These are all just unsubstantiated claims from someone promoting a product. The reason the entire world switched to dwarf varieties is that full height wheat falls over in heavy storms and this can lead to a loss of entire harvests and major famines.

This grain, while interesting, is far far less productive than modern varieties and less efficient to grow. It's valuable for genetic diversity and rediscovering it is wonderful and valuable, but it is more or less worthless for farmers as anything other than a novelty.

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tmaly 2 hours ago
This is interesting for people with gluten allergies, maybe there is a way they could one day consume the ancient wheat.
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kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 42 seconds ago
From what I understand, most "ancient" grains had far less gluten; it's the modern variants that have caused the widespread gluten issues we see today.

That's obviously an oversimplification.

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caretrs 27 minutes ago
Wouldn't this cause ecosystem issues if seeds from 100 years ago get planted in the same area?
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aDyslecticCrow 4 minutes ago
Planting 600 acres of a single genetically identical grass and blasting them with insecticide and herbicide... kinda already does as much damage one could possibly try to do.

A slighly taller variety of grass hardly matters.

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timcobb 26 minutes ago
No these require human cultivation to survive.
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mech422 13 minutes ago
I think I saw this movie... :-P
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netsharc 43 minutes ago
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EA-3167 14 minutes ago
As the article clearly states it was the farmer himself who made the initial ID of the grain based on a bible passage he heard at church. It’s not a quote the Smithsonian added for the hell of it.

If a straightforward account of a story offends your sensibilities, rather than complaining, simply move on.

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devilsdata 28 minutes ago
Right? I can get behind it if it also includes historical mentions of grains from other religious and cultural texts. But only the Bible? Pure pandering to the lead-brained population segments of North America.
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the-golden-one 2 hours ago
Clickbait title
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PeterHolzwarth 2 hours ago
Is it? It seems to describe exactly what happened: a farmer finds a sack of grain in his attic left by his great grandfather and plants them for the hell of it. Interesting things result.
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gnabgib 25 minutes ago
You're likely basing this on the (better) updated title.. the original included "almost biblical" in the title. Shame mods didn't document the change.
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kayson 2 hours ago
It is a pretty terrible title, but the article is interesting
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jahala 2 hours ago
I also found it interesting, and the title pretty much describe what happened? I don’t see the problem
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