Nvidia – open-source auto-ontology
62 points by campervans 3 hours ago | 12 comments

mirekrusin 7 minutes ago
I still prefer my own, simple and more functional CAVE lang [0]

[0] https://mirekrusin.com/cave

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grey-area 2 hours ago
Fixing unreliable agents by adding more unreliable agents. It's a shame we can't do something about the tendency of LLMs to give more weight to their weights than to the data they're analysing.

I guess it all comes back to the fact that they don't have a clear division between data they have learned about the world, instructions and data under analysis.

You can ask them only to consider the 5 facts in front of them, but they won't do that, and cannot do that.

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IanCal 21 minutes ago
> Fixing unreliable agents by adding more unreliable agents.

Depending on how you combine imperfect systems, you can lower or increase error rates.

> data they have learned about the world, instructions and data under analysis.

I don't think there really is a clear distinction between these things though.

And I don't mean this in a gotcha way - these things apply to people too. Not that that means they're like people, but we have successfully built enormous systems out of fallible people, and other imperfect things.

The goal is rarely "eliminate all errors" but "have a thing that's useful, given a possibility of things going wrong".

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grey-area 9 minutes ago
Depending on how you combine imperfect systems, you can lower or increase error rates.

Well, in principle yes one system can compensate for another, in practice, errors tend to compound and combine in interesting ways, not go away, particularly in systems like this which are unpredictable and generate slightly different responses each time without human intervention. They are not reliable in the way we're used to considering and don't work well without supervision from careful humans at present.

I don't think there really is a clear distinction between these things though.

Yes your second point is an interesting one - the divisions between these things are arbitrarily imposed on the world, but we do have these distinctions for a reason, even if they are not completely objective.

I do think this is a significant problem specific to LLMs though (that I at least see when using them) - we don't have a way to constrain them in what knowledge they consider. This can be a bonus (they are good at connecting faraway bits of maths in interesting ways), but it can be a significant problem when asking for a summary of a data - confabulations and data from outside the context easily leak into the output of the LLM. That is undesirable behaviour and we have no reliable way to constrain it.

I'm not sure that this particular effort is going to help because it doesn't change or constrain the behaviour of the actual machines and the behaviour is the problem, not the data they are fed.

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einpoklum 3 minutes ago
Open Source?

How about we start by open-sourcing the NVIDIA user-space libraries: libcuda, libcudart, libOpenCL, libnvtx, as well as nvidia-smi and the CUDA and OpenCL profilers.

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bbor 11 minutes ago
The readme seems to be written for enterprise project managers. Does anyone know what philosophy or academic ontology work this ties to, if any? I’m having trouble understanding the specifics, I’ll be honest…
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igleria 25 minutes ago
Was interested... but then realized it needs an NVIDIA api key?
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p_l 10 minutes ago
You can self-host the LLMs involved, API key is only if you're using nvidia-hosted
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podocarp 2 hours ago
I don't understand this ontology thing. What's the difference between this and a memory system plus skills to collect your enterprise's APIs and CLIs etc?
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IanCal 14 minutes ago
One issue in a business is what does all the data actually mean? What are the various definitions and how do they relate to each other. What's a customer? Should that include people that have bought things, or anyone who is potentially buying? Do different systems use the same definitions, what are the columns, etc.

An ontology in this kind of context means a more precise machine readable spec of this and how it all relates to each other. You can totally build one by hand. The idea here is I think that it tries to figure it out itself and can take corrections over time, so you can ask natural language questions and get more reliable results rather than hoping an llm works out what "customers this month" means the same way each time over a wide span of data rather than having a much clearer API to work against.

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whatshisface 2 hours ago
A memory system is managed by the RL trained behavior, these systems use specific prompts and ordinary software to hardcode a policy. The RL version is usually more efficient, but it can't be improved or made more repeatable.
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happybox2016 4 minutes ago
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franzramadhan 34 minutes ago
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campervans 3 hours ago
Game changer for entreprise (technical) debt
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