Burying the Evidence: nine out of every 10 time capsules go missing
40 points by ohjeez 2 days ago | 23 comments

nubinetwork 3 hours ago
I often wonder what happened to the time capsule that we planted back in elementary school... I distinctly remember it being planted near the flag pole. Unfortunately that school closed a decade ago, and was torn up. I guess it could still be there, but its likely been crushed or pilfered.
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voidfunc 2 hours ago
Similar. We did these in I think first grade and then one of the parents was supposed to hold onto them for however many years.

We were supposed to get them back in like 20 years except you know the logistics of that are insane between people moving, teachers retiring, and a bazillion other things.

The world before 2000 was quaint. Everyone thought youd stay pretty local and community would persist.

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bluGill 50 minutes ago
Most people do stay pretty local. Community does persist. However there have long been plenty of exceptions. Those exceptions are not things you can know ahead of time.

20 years after first grade is the worst. It is very common to be gone to a college far away at that time, and then return. Also first grade - odds are the kids won't care even if they do get everything back.

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alembic_fumes 12 minutes ago
I suspect this depends a lot on the culture, which itself likely varies not only by country but the kind of hometown we're talking about. Where I grew up, a smaller blue-collar city, it was expected of people to move to another (bigger) city to study and work, and remaining in your home town was considered failing. The idea of somebody returning after college is even more incredulous, even though there were quite a few roles in the industry requiring university level education.

To extend the anecdote, I saw this similar sentiment in many people who had grown up where I moved to study. So what I viewed as success or moving up in the world, they considered failing. So it doesn't seem that rational to me, but it's certainly real.

And now finally, living in a different country (which of course makes me very non-failing according to my hometown's criteria), it's an entirely different story: I've never in my life have had as many colleagues who were born, raised, educated, and found employment within the same 50 kilometer radius. And they're all perfectly happy about it.

I have no big point to make here; your comment just stirred this realization into words. I guess I'm wanting to say that these thing vary a lot, and its hard to generalize.

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JoeDaDude 54 minutes ago
Speaking of Valley Forge... it is known - but not advertised - that there is a time capsule placed there during a ceremony in 1878. If you ask a park ranger, they will admit to its existence but generally, they would rather it remain in obscurity to prevent someone from digging it up in the middle of the night.

So far, there are no plans to open it and there is no documentation on its contents. How long until this time capsule is forgotten too?

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pfdietz 2 hours ago
I remember a quote from Bruce Sterling in Wired some years ago:

"Real futurism means staring directly into your own grave and accepting the slow but thorough obliteration of everyone and everything you know and love."

The sufficiently distant future is a place where you (and they) won't be. Time capsules can be seen as a cry into this abyss.

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nonameiguess 9 minutes ago
I'm disheartened that the immediate first response to you is basically "no, humans will be immortal soon enough."

Of course, nothing is immortal. All matter in the universe will eventually be subsumed into supermassive black holes, then spend the next thousands of quadrillions of years slowly evaporating into nothingness via Hawking radiation. I would very much like for my life to be longer than it is, to possibly witness the entire arc of all human civilization, but I sure as shit don't want to experience eternity as undifferentiated non-baryonic matter causally disconnected from all other matter. Death may come very far into the future for certain types of life that don't yet exist, or certain types of information sinks that can act but would not have been considered "life" by existing biological definitions, but it will still come, and if you live enough, it will be welcome.

Personally, I take a lot of comfort in this. Not a single one of us, not Charlemagne, not Khan, not Elon Musk, matter any more than an amoeba in the truly grand scheme of the cosmos. Even a hypothetical type III civilization is just as much dust as the Mayans in the long run. Conversely, within our own little sphere of influence, we all matter as much as a god.

I get why life has this ambition. I feel it, too. It's the reason we exist in the first place. But we're able to recognize it for what it is, the illusion of an imperative handed down by semi-random behaviors selected for no better reason than they made it more likely for their associated genes to proliferate. There is no actual imperative. That frees you to live within the confines of a tractable life of tractable ambitions. Be the absolute best person you can be to a small group of sentient creatures you happened to exist alongside for somewhere between a few decades to a century. Don't set the planet on fire and neglect your own family in an attempt to become a comic book hero.

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echelon 50 minutes ago
That's a temporary state. Eventually humans won't die. Consciousness will be uploaded, memories preserved.

We aren't that far away from being able to decode thoughts, memories, and the visual cortex from brains. That's going to leap forward quickly.

Maybe the future will reverse the light cone and revisit everyone and everything that has ever lived. Maybe we're in their simulation.

Maybe the reason we don't see alien AI swarms is because they don't travel in spatial dimensions.

All sci-fi conjecture and fantasy, but brain scanning will get good.

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Edit because HN rate limits me:

> And then in 10^33 years you'll fight viciously for the last pockets of negentropy.

Our physicists claim to have models of how time began and will end. They don't concretely know. With the new observatories, new models are being suggested and old ones discarded. Will Lamda CDM hold?

We still have infant eyes. So much lies beyond the limits of our detection. And frankly, projections of the end of the universe are doomer-coded because society is looking for it to be that way.

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dontwannahearit 14 minutes ago
Oh god, dictators that live forever. Wealth that can be amassed and hoarded across a billion natural lifespans. Orwells boot stamping on a human face for eternity made real.

Death is a feature not a bug.

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pfdietz 13 minutes ago
Probably not a realistic view of the future, since those dictators won't need citizens.
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pfdietz 30 minutes ago
That sounds sufficiently different from me that it won't be me.

If I'm going to identify with some future entity that's very different from me it might as well be something newly arisen, not something having a copy of some of my memories somewhere.

I guess those archived memories are the ultimate time capsule. If that becomes common they'll ultimately go the way of all archives.

Relevant recent SMBC: https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/chip

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bananaflag 36 minutes ago
And then in 10^33 years you'll fight viciously for the last pockets of negentropy.
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gatlin 39 minutes ago
Consciousness will be uploaded to where, some digital prison that also has resource requirements the same as a biological entity? Since you are leaping into the fire with such confidence I will exhort you with a counter proposal to seek Christ.
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amelius 35 minutes ago
What would your ultimate prank time capsule look like?
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sicher 8 minutes ago
A friend devised it. A small dr Snuggles wooden rocket in which you put two squirrels with goggles. Then send it into space hoping some aliens pick it up a few million years from now.
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ahmedfromtunis 44 minutes ago
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intrasight 2 hours ago
"Missing" is too general since it includes "stolen".

Tell me about "forgotten" time capsules. About some interesting finds made hundreds or thousands of years in the future.

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morkalork 49 seconds ago
That means they've just become extended release capsules
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gizajob 4 minutes ago
Don’t worry. They’ll turn up one day.
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zaphirplane 2 hours ago
It didn't vanish. The Department of Timeline Corrections just needed to
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bita_nidir 2 hours ago
Not bad. 10% of my stuff that I bury doesn't show up again. Only ever really been poor little Mr. Church we buried before the weekend and showed up this morning. He isn't purring yet but he'll recover.
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delichon 52 minutes ago
With vanishingly few exceptions, those of us who leave an impression on the future won't do so by hoarding memorabilia, but by fucking.
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ungreased0675 3 hours ago
I don’t like the unnecessarily snarky tone of this article. It distracts from the main topic.
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pluc 2 hours ago
Longreads: f*ck you, I'm reading
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