OpenAI raises $11B at a $1.25T valuation
54 points by armcat 2 hours ago | 29 comments

cmiles8 17 minutes ago
The real headline is that they couldn’t hit what they wanted in terms of valuation and funds raised. Just were not enough people willing to invest given concerns that it may be downhill from here for a while on AI.

This will also make it even harder to avoid any future IPO being a down round. They’re almost certainly worth much less than Anthropic and Anthropic is, per reports, struggling to keep its valuation much above 1T, and even that may fall through.

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admax88qqq 5 minutes ago
> They’re almost certainly worth much less than Anthropic

What makes you say this?

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onlyrealcuzzo 12 minutes ago
The bigger story is that their burn rate is so high.

Unless things change considerably, this is less than a 6 month runway.

It's not common for raises to give you this little runway.

You could read into it that they expect to IPO in far less than that amount of time, and this is a short bridge until then.

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bob1029 2 minutes ago
OpenAI seems to me like they are operating with a slightly longer horizon strategy than Anthropic. Going for the IPO is the last resort in my mind. It is what you do to get ahead of deteriorating financial conditions. I don't think Anthropic had a choice at their projected burn rate. Why would we surrender all our cloaks and daggers unless we absolutely have to? The political and regulatory headwinds are not looking favorable for AI companies as of a few days ago.

Going for the IPO collapses a large space of options that are available to the business. The AI business is entirely about data. Anthropic's IPO would generate an incredible amount of data that could be used by its competitors to refine their strategy. Knowing where to allocate capital is perhaps worth more than the capital itself at these scales.

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chris_va 10 minutes ago
We always see these headlines and think "is XYZ company actually worth that much?"

Class A stock gets paid out first, so "valuation" here is not what a retail investor would necessarily pay for class C.

Basically, do these people think that they'll get their $11B back? If so, they are ok with a high "valuation" because there is little risk. And with OpenAI's corporate structure, who knows what is actually happening.

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satvikpendem 9 minutes ago
Valuation dropped, that's the real news. Altman couldn't raise the amount he wanted to so it's gonna just be a dumping ground in the public markets.
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xnx 12 minutes ago
OpenAI, Anthropic, Google, Nvidia, Grok: they can't all be worth $1T (or $1T additional in Google's case) at the same time.
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Forgeties79 5 minutes ago
It still baffles me that Grok is even on the list let alone being funded. Their market share is terrible and the product is so mediocre. Why on earth would I want a tool that has “be funny and irreverent” baked into its system prompts? I don’t want a calculator cracking wise at me either.
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WarmWash 23 seconds ago
Have you been on twitter?

It's become a huge community of people who have their life savings in Elon, and endlessly circle jerk the hype.

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odyssey7 18 minutes ago
I think OpenAI is one of the most important companies in a generation, but on a tangent, I remember the first time a company broke a $1T market cap, and it was a significant moment. Nowadays multi-trillion-dollar valuations are becoming more common — I wonder how much it reflects inflation vs companies being genuinely bigger than they used to be. If it’s more about inflation, then we can expect to see dozens and hundreds more in the coming decades. Founders: recalibrate your ambition for the new era.
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Hendrikto 15 minutes ago
It is pretty much all inflation. Just look at the gold price over the same time frame. Gold did not become more productive or scarce. In fact, we have more of it now than we ever had.
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kortilla 51 seconds ago
Half inflation, half hype.

2018 when Apple was first across the threshold, it’s P/E was around 20. Currently near 40.

Then inflation has cut the dollar in half in a bunch of categories. So that would put it at $4T with no growth at all.

Another way to look at it would be to think of this openAI news as announcing they have a $250B valuation if you’re fixated on pre-covid prices like I am. :)

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233mhz 5 minutes ago
> I remember the first time a company broke a $1T market cap, and it was a significant moment

But then again 1T today is 700b back in 2018. It's like 6 figures salaries, they don't hit like they used to.

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an0malous 2 minutes ago
Called it months ago when they released Luna etc. and started subsidizing prices even more.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49117798

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50012065

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naveen99 38 minutes ago
This valuation is a function of early accumulation of compute. They could rent it to Anthropic, or poach more Anthropic engineers.
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ianm218 4 minutes ago
Do you think they would actually sell compute to anthropic? Relative to working with other labs that feels like conceding the overall AI race atleast outside of consumer.
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fancyfredbot 24 minutes ago
Not sure how long you'll be able to sell compute to anthropic for. They are constrained right now but they have an insane pipeline of take or pay contracts, and if those are delivered they'll be drowning in compute in a couple of years time.
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raincole 12 minutes ago
Anthropic has a higher valuation than OpenAI.
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xfour 44 minutes ago
How many companies have a public market valuation over 1T, that seems like a lot
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rbinv 27 minutes ago
About 14:

Apple ($4.98T), NVIDIA ($4.51T), Microsoft ($3.94T), Alphabet ($3.49T), Amazon ($2.80T), TSMC ($1.95T), SpaceX ($1.82T), Saudi Aramco ($1.69T), Meta ($1.56T), Tesla ($1.42T), Broadcom ($1.40T), Berkshire Hathaway ($1.22T), Eli Lilly ($1.21T), (Walmart ($0.996T))

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ozgung 5 minutes ago
I remember Apple being the first ever one-trillion-dollar company in the world. It was in 2018.
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jordanb 39 minutes ago
It's cheap if you buy the story that they're building a digital god to rule us all.
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Hendrikto 14 minutes ago
1T isn‘t what it used to be. Inflation is exponetial.
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124512310X 22 minutes ago
They wanted to raise 20 billion "from family offices and high net-worth individuals", i.e., fleece the Saudis again but failed:

https://www.wheresyoured.at/running-dry/

They got a bit of pocket change at this insane valuation.

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enraged_camel 39 minutes ago
The story here is that Sam wanted to raise a lot more, but could not. Investors almost certainly want to see how the Anthropic IPO plays out before deciding whether to keep showering these companies with money.
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bushbaba 33 minutes ago
Valuation wouldn’t hold if public. He couldn’t raise the 30B he wanted. I’m not sure how much runway OpenAI has, but sounds like a similar to Anthropic story with valuation likely if in the public markets declining.
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naveen99 36 minutes ago
Sam raised a $100B in previous round. I think a direct listing ipo would see their valuation go up to $4T, and then they could do some at the market sales as needed.
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satvikpendem 10 minutes ago
They didn't actually raise that 100 billion fully, tranches were contingent on different factors, some of which haven't even been hit yet.
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freecodeio 24 minutes ago
why not just value it at 40T if we're all just throwing numbers randomly
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JulianPaul 20 minutes ago
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